Re: Budget hatchback war: Renault Kwid vs the others Hi All,
I am planning to get a car for Chennai city runs. I have short listed EON owing to its size. I live in a congested area inside city close to Marina, looking for a small car which will be easy to park in my tight parking area and for a narrow street. About myself, I am 182 Cms tall, medium built. Occupants other than me would be wife and baby as of now. Mom does not travel much and my wife/sister might be interested to drive this inside city. There would be occasional highway runs only twice in a year when we don't get train during festive season to Coimbatore, might also travel to Bangalore occasionally.
Monthly run would be 500-600 Kms inside city. Overall running cost should be less. Need to give at-least 14-15 with 40% air-con inside city. Currently Palio air-con is powerful and cools down quickly compared with others but taps more power from engine. When driving alone, use ac only when the climate is hot/sunny and during summer.
Pricing wise, the below ones which i am looking will be around 4.5L +/- with the discounts.The only exception will be 0.8L Eon which will be 4L for the Magna variant. I might consider opting for airbag once the vehicle is decided since all the below comes at-least with Driver side airbag. Hyundai guys are chasing me to complete the deal before Diwali for the discounts though they might extend depending on their stock clearance.
Let me know your overall suggestion. I liked Eon 0.8L, considering to go for 1.0 though i have not got a TD for 1.0. If someone here has driven, how different the engine power is compared with 0.8.
- Low end torque in low revs.
- Moving in traffic with 2nd gear
- Expected average inside city with 50% AC.
Currently having Palio stile 1.1 and have extensively driven one nano 2011 model of a relative which i enjoy driving than the palio inside the city for its size. In the past have used Matiz.
I have done TD for the below vehicles, below are my observations, please let me know if i am wrong somewhere and also add your views. Eon 0.8
- Looks like a downsized epsilon engine.
- Seating posture is in the mids. Likes
- Good overall performance
- can pull better in 2nd gear without acceleration compared with K10 engines.
- Do not find gear knob vibes as others have mentioned though one of the mechanic says he has seen the vibes and sound creeping up after few thousand kms and he mentioned one part to be changed to correct this frequently.
- Has Temperature guage which is omitted in i10 irde2 and most of the others in the competition.
- Small turning radius 4.5M Dislikes
- No RPM meter, less info in the MID though have seen one of the members here have used torque app which reads more info from ECU though OBD.
- Unsettles in bad roads and with road undulations.
- Acceleration is sluggish with air con which is expected nature for 0.8L
- Looks low on GC though have 170mm on paper, need to check in my parking slot.
- Gearshift is rubbery.
- Styling and curves overdone on the rear. Eon 1.0 - Need to check how this 3cyl 4v vtvt engine behaves in low and high revs which should be similar to the one sold in the i10 Europe.
- Have driven i10 1.2 in the past, did not like the low end torque compared to peppy santro epsilon engine which is 3V/ cyl sohc inside city.
- Might this also give better ride quality due to increase in weight from 715->795 Kgs?
- Can we expect 15+ avg inside city? i10 Irde2 - Outdated looks, might phase out soon( had a short TD only inside city traffic) Likes
- Love the low end torque with 4 Cyl, less gear changes, but found eon easy to drive in small streets similar to nano.
- Seating posture seems to be higher than eon.
- Better Brakes and overall composure.
- Gearshifts are slick Dislikes
- No temperature guage.
- Might return lesser average compared to MSIL K12 engine.(around 13-14?)
- Era variant which is being offered now has been completely cut down compared with the ones offered few years back, need to start with Magna only during purchase. Celerio P Likes
- 4.7 turning radius
- Might return 17 inside city ? Dislikes
- Low rev not satisfactory maybe tuned for more mileage.
- TD vehicle air-con was poor in cooling, took time.
- Plastics are not up to the mark. Wife found plastic quality was poor along with light doors, was against MSIL for this.
- Rear seats width similar to wagon r, could have been better.
- Most of the features cut down in the lower variants, VXI does not have RPM meter and don't think there is a temp guage. Celerio Diesel - MSIL might discontinue soon. Long term review of overdrive said maintenance costs were on higher side during 19K run. Likes
- Found diesel to be having good pulling inside city ie the torque which moves the vehicle, though the rpm needs to be bit on higher side.
- Vibes were less and need less gear changes, can pull easily in 2nd gear which i miss in 3 cyl K10 engines.
- Better Air-con compared with petrol variant. Dislikes
- Start and stop engine vibration (baby got up from sleep during cranking)
- 2 cyl and vibes are more than petrol nano for this price.
- Reviews say highway performance will be sluggish. Wagon R Manual - Have they retained same initial K10 or they switched to K10B which is sold currently? Might opt for stingray LXI if i decide to go for this model for a fresher look. Likes
- Easy ingress and egress.
- Engine power seemed better than celerio which shows why waggie has 20.5 arai rating.
- Lots of features for LXI/VXI even for stingray. Dislikes
- Found it very boxy in shape.
- Slight curve in the highway at the speed of 70 at Omr showed body roll compared to EON in the Td vehicle which i found similar to that of nano. In the same stretch found stingray to be better though sales guy have told me air was less on the front tire for stingray. Wagon R auto Likes
- Auto transmission seems to be good, was able to adapt quickly. Dislikes
- Miss the low rev pull of 4 cylinder which also applies for the manual variant.
- Seems to be having a lighter build compared to older wagon r. K10 Need to try another TD vehicle. Likes
- Shoots forward good after 2K rpm. Nice surge of power like mini turbo.
- Good frontal view.
- Can return 17+ in city? Dislikes
- lots of vibes more than a 2 stroke auto in the TD vehicle which has run 16K
- Low seating posture, was not comfortable. Found palio which has low posture to be better after a short TD of K10 in dense traffic.
- Engine was like turning off below 1.5K rpm and needs revving to move forward. Kwid - Decided not to go for this due to turning radius and weak engine response in 1.0. Also did TD for Tiago, found the ride quality good but was similar to palio in size with a longer turning radius. Likes
- Frontal view was good
- SUV type styling
- GPS navigation with touchscreen Dislikes
- Looks like the engine is tuned similar like 0.8 in the low revs and brakes are poor.
- Thought i was driving a 0.8(did not notice the 1.0 on the sides while getting in) and was asking for 1.0 to the sales guy when completing the TD.
- Turning radius is high.
- Tried in parking slot which has a steep slope in my home, engine power was very weak and it was a very tight fit while getting inn.
- This also hit the floor while taking it outside, 180GC is questionable(might be due to the angle), palio with true 170mm GC does the job well.
0.8 - It had initial jerk during acceleration but engine needs a lot of gear shifts, engine seems weaker with higher gear in traffic and throws bad engine noise and vibes which is scary thinking about the overall quality. Brakes were like wood. Only +ve which i found was the ride quality over bad roads.
See that many have opted for KWID due to the overall features, i am not offending anyone, its just my view. I value engine response and overall quality and serviceability in the long run more. I am having great difficulty with local mechanics and have only one good service center in OMR for Fiat. I am not considering Pulse petrol which is offered on-road below ex showroom price. Even Renault has only 2 here in Chennai when i checked with sales rep, they are planning to collaborate with TVS/Tata like how Fiat did it in the past. I wanted to get Ritz since it ticks most of my needs but MSIL have stopped petrol and have only LDI white color for Taxi.
This post is big, moderators, please let me know if i need to start a new thread for this or can continue here and Thanks for people who has gone through this big post. |