Hi. First post. Wagon R to Swift?

snaronikar · 21st June 2007, 18:09

Hi, Guys,

I'am srinivas. Heard about this portal from a friend of mine. It's amazing....Presently I own an Wagin R LXi and driving from past 4 1/2 years. Planning to go for a bigger model. Test drove Swift VDi y'day. But I feel the interiors and the comfort wise it is similar to Wagon R itself. Tried to creat a new post for the advice of TBHP but could not as I feel I have to post at least 50 posts. But can anybody advice me whether to go for mid size car or go with the hatch back itself. The current waiting period in Bangalore is about 6~7 months (for VDi) and during this period there are lot of other hatch backs that are lined up for release. Sincerely need TBHP's advice......

mclaren1885 · 21st June 2007, 22:28

The swift diesel is indeed a really nice car to go for. You have all the R&D being done on members ride here.

Btw welcome to the forum. And do come to the meet we regularly have.

TARUL · 21st June 2007, 22:42

hey! srinivas its nice to meet another bhpian from bangalore.tell us something more about your self & coming to the car part of it the swift vdi is a good choice but hang on there may be better cars coming in the near future.

binz · 21st June 2007, 22:45

Hey man welcome to the forum,..do make it to the meets.

Hey tarul,..which better cars are you talking about?

TARUL · 21st June 2007, 22:52

hey binoy if you know i am still a newbie for the past 2 years.Just tyring to type some posts to get to the level of a bhpian

DerAlte · 22nd June 2007, 06:17

Hi Srinivas. Welcome to Team BHP, enjoy your conversations with people for whom the common means of transport is more than most other things in life.

What are your needs in a car? What do you expect of a bigger model with respect to your needs? What is the budget that you have set for yourself?

If you consider what is available and what is coming, there is a mind-boggling array of choices, but there is none that satisfies everyone. And that's because needs are individual - and a purchase decision is always at best a compromise of what you want v/s what you get for the money that you *think* you can spend. Power v/s economy, size v/s driveability, style v/s safety, comfort v/s cost - there is no end to the decision elements. And to top it all, advice does not make it easier!

The advantages of Swift TDi are apparent economy and appeal (cute, different), neither of which are really true. Same for any diesel small car.

You pay 60K more against the apparent savings of diesel: at the current fuel rates that is 25% savings per litre. But, do you realize you would have already paid 15000litres worth of difference up-front, so you will get the benefits of the fuel cost difference only after driving 100,000Km (that's what you have already paid up-front), as compared to the petrol version.

Appeal? Irrational, but can you overrule the family? Sure, Indica has more internal space but looks like a toad, definitely not "stylish" - and even more horrific: "most taxis are Indica". All advertising is about appeal, not logic.

So just make a list (rational, logical criteria - like we are taught) of what you need, and then embark on the adventurous journey of selecting a car. Quite likely you will get frustrated with the list and tear it up, only because the lady says "Suno ji, that one is really cute, let's buy that" or "Not that one, our neighbour has that"

abhilashvk · 22nd June 2007, 10:00

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The current waiting period in Bangalore is about 6~7 months (for VDi) and during this period there are lot of other hatch backs that are lined up for release. Sincerely need TBHP's advice......

Between Wagon R and Swift VDi, its a no brainer, Its Vdi that wins. However with the 6 month waiting period I would consider something else. The best way I feel is to book the car and in case you find something eventually, cancell and get a refund of the whole amount. When Swift was launched, there was a waiting of 6 months but the hype died down fast and cars were delivered fast.

dadu · 22nd June 2007, 10:25

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Originally Posted by DerAlte

Hi Srinivas. Welcome to Team BHP, enjoy your conversations with people for whom the common means of transport is more than most other things in life.

What are your needs in a car? What do you expect of a bigger model with respect to your needs? What is the budget that you have set for yourself?

If you consider what is available and what is coming, there is a mind-boggling array of choices, but there is none that satisfies everyone. And that's because needs are individual - and a purchase decision is always at best a compromise of what you want v/s what you get for the money that you *think* you can spend. Power v/s economy, size v/s driveability, style v/s safety, comfort v/s cost - there is no end to the decision elements. And to top it all, advice does not make it easier!

The advantages of Swift TDi are apparent economy and appeal (cute, different), neither of which are really true. Same for any diesel small car.

You pay 60K more against the apparent savings of diesel: at the current fuel rates that is 25% savings per litre. But, do you realize you would have already paid 15000litres worth of difference up-front, so you will get the benefits of the fuel cost difference only after driving 100,000Km (that's what you have already paid up-front), as compared to the petrol version.

Appeal? Irrational, but can you overrule the family? Sure, Indica has more internal space but looks like a toad, definitely not "stylish" - and even more horrific: "most taxis are Indica". All advertising is about appeal, not logic.

So just make a list (rational, logical criteria - like we are taught) of what you need, and then embark on the adventurous journey of selecting a car. Quite likely you will get frustrated with the list and tear it up, only because the lady says "Suno ji, that one is really cute, let's buy that" or "Not that one, our neighbour has that"

Suno Ji, Well said, Der Alte

zoom2_ash · 22nd June 2007, 11:26

@Deralte: very well said. I agree with you. Swift is not family car. If you have a family of more then even 2 adults(forget 5), Swift is not for you. Back seat in swift is only for children. You can go for SWIFT diesel if you want a peppy engine. this could be the only rational behind buying SWIFT diesel.

snaronikar · 22nd June 2007, 22:24

Hi, Guys,

Thanks for the response. Well, did not expect so many....

Need to upgrade from current hatchback to mid size. My budget is around around Rs.7 Lacs....Looking for a Diesel car (preferably CRDI). I'am looking for an economy car with performance.......looks does matter. And the decision to buy the car is only mine and certainly not "suno ji".....

balaji_n29 · 23rd June 2007, 12:43

Since you are looking for a family car and CRDi one, hatchbacks don't make much sense.. The cars that fit the bill are Indigo DICOR and the Logan DCi. You can choose between one of these...

The swift diesel can be ruled out because of the lack of space.... The Indigo and Logan are really spacious and are great value for money.. If you want a petrol car go far SX4 VXi..

snaronikar · 23rd June 2007, 15:47

Hi, Balaji,

I have seen both Logan & Indigo. I have not yet taken the test drives. Hence do not know the performance. Just to compare, I feel Logan is far more better than Indigo (interiors)......But exteriors and looks wise Indigo is much better. Also it comes with 70 bhp and logan with 68.

Will test drive all the 3 Ford Fiesta 1.4 (TDCi)/Indigo (Dicor)/Logan......I feel the service and spares availability wise, Tata might be much better...what say??

dockap · 23rd June 2007, 21:43

Hey srinivas i was in the same position as you i wanted to buy the vdi but the waiting period of 6 months put me off so i changed my mind no car is worth waiting for 6 months unless u are getting it free .I heard the the new hyundai getz is coming out with a crdi engine next month i strongly advice you to go for it instead of a indigo or logan

Thad E Ginathom · 23rd June 2007, 23:25

The wagonr is ugly car!

But inside that box is some good space. If you ever carry more than a briefcase in the boot, the Swift will be a disappointing car for you.

balaji_n29 · 24th June 2007, 08:46

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Originally Posted by snaronikar

Hi, Balaji,

I have seen both Logan & Indigo. I have not yet taken the test drives. Hence do not know the performance. Just to compare, I feel Logan is far more better than Indigo (interiors)......But exteriors and looks wise Indigo is much better. Also it comes with 70 bhp and logan with 68.

Will test drive all the 3 Ford Fiesta 1.4 (TDCi)/Indigo (Dicor)/Logan......I feel the service and spares availability wise, Tata might be much better...what say??

Yes you are right...The indigo looks much better than the Logan. The Fiesta Diesel is way out of the budget you quoted.. Will be somewhere in the range of 8.5L on road Bangalore...If you have that kinda money don't bother about the logan and the indigo. The Fiesta will win hands down, legs up and head swinging.. The only issue will be the lack of space in the rear seat as compared to the other two..But powerwise there is not much difference between the 3..

Balaji

21st June 2007, 18:09	#1
snaronikar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 2,845 Thanked: 29 Times View My Garage	Hi. First post. Wagon R to Swift? Hi, Guys, I'am srinivas. Heard about this portal from a friend of mine. It's amazing....Presently I own an Wagin R LXi and driving from past 4 1/2 years. Planning to go for a bigger model. Test drove Swift VDi y'day. But I feel the interiors and the comfort wise it is similar to Wagon R itself. Tried to creat a new post for the advice of TBHP but could not as I feel I have to post at least 50 posts. But can anybody advice me whether to go for mid size car or go with the hatch back itself. The current waiting period in Bangalore is about 6~7 months (for VDi) and during this period there are lot of other hatch backs that are lined up for release. Sincerely need TBHP's advice......
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21st June 2007, 22:28	#2
mclaren1885 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bangalore (the city of modded cars) !! Posts: 4,820 Thanked: 45 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (10)	The swift diesel is indeed a really nice car to go for. You have all the R&D being done on members ride here. Btw welcome to the forum. And do come to the meet we regularly have.
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21st June 2007, 22:42	#3
TARUL BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: BANGALORE Posts: 117 Thanked: Once View My Garage	hey! srinivas its nice to meet another bhpian from bangalore.tell us something more about your self & coming to the car part of it the swift vdi is a good choice but hang on there may be better cars coming in the near future.
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21st June 2007, 22:45	#4
binz Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,306 Thanked: 431 Times View My Garage	Hey man welcome to the forum,..do make it to the meets. Hey tarul,..which better cars are you talking about?
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21st June 2007, 22:52	#5
TARUL BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: BANGALORE Posts: 117 Thanked: Once View My Garage	hey binoy if you know i am still a newbie for the past 2 years.Just tyring to type some posts to get to the level of a bhpian
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22nd June 2007, 06:17	#6
DerAlte Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 8,069 Thanked: 2,919 Times	Hi Srinivas. Welcome to Team BHP, enjoy your conversations with people for whom the common means of transport is more than most other things in life. What are your needs in a car? What do you expect of a bigger model with respect to your needs? What is the budget that you have set for yourself? If you consider what is available and what is coming, there is a mind-boggling array of choices, but there is none that satisfies everyone. And that's because needs are individual - and a purchase decision is always at best a compromise of what you want v/s what you get for the money that you think you can spend. Power v/s economy, size v/s driveability, style v/s safety, comfort v/s cost - there is no end to the decision elements. And to top it all, advice does not make it easier! The advantages of Swift TDi are apparent economy and appeal (cute, different), neither of which are really true. Same for any diesel small car. You pay 60K more against the apparent savings of diesel: at the current fuel rates that is 25% savings per litre. But, do you realize you would have already paid 15000litres worth of difference up-front, so you will get the benefits of the fuel cost difference only after driving 100,000Km (that's what you have already paid up-front), as compared to the petrol version. Appeal? Irrational, but can you overrule the family? Sure, Indica has more internal space but looks like a toad, definitely not "stylish" - and even more horrific: "most taxis are Indica". All advertising is about appeal, not logic. So just make a list (rational, logical criteria - like we are taught) of what you need, and then embark on the adventurous journey of selecting a car. Quite likely you will get frustrated with the list and tear it up, only because the lady says "Suno ji, that one is really cute, let's buy that" or "Not that one, our neighbour has that"
	() Thanks

22nd June 2007, 11:26	#9
zoom2_ash BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Pune Posts: 74 Thanked: 5 Times	@Deralte: very well said. I agree with you. Swift is not family car. If you have a family of more then even 2 adults(forget 5), Swift is not for you. Back seat in swift is only for children. You can go for SWIFT diesel if you want a peppy engine. this could be the only rational behind buying SWIFT diesel.
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22nd June 2007, 22:24	#10
snaronikar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 2,845 Thanked: 29 Times View My Garage	Hi, Guys, Thanks for the response. Well, did not expect so many.... Need to upgrade from current hatchback to mid size. My budget is around around Rs.7 Lacs....Looking for a Diesel car (preferably CRDI). I'am looking for an economy car with performance.......looks does matter. And the decision to buy the car is only mine and certainly not "suno ji".....
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23rd June 2007, 12:43	#11
balaji_n29 BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 135 Thanked: 0 Times	Since you are looking for a family car and CRDi one, hatchbacks don't make much sense.. The cars that fit the bill are Indigo DICOR and the Logan DCi. You can choose between one of these... The swift diesel can be ruled out because of the lack of space.... The Indigo and Logan are really spacious and are great value for money.. If you want a petrol car go far SX4 VXi..
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23rd June 2007, 15:47	#12
snaronikar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 2,845 Thanked: 29 Times View My Garage	Hi, Balaji, I have seen both Logan & Indigo. I have not yet taken the test drives. Hence do not know the performance. Just to compare, I feel Logan is far more better than Indigo (interiors)......But exteriors and looks wise Indigo is much better. Also it comes with 70 bhp and logan with 68. Will test drive all the 3 Ford Fiesta 1.4 (TDCi)/Indigo (Dicor)/Logan......I feel the service and spares availability wise, Tata might be much better...what say??
	() Thanks

23rd June 2007, 21:43	#13
dockap BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Mangalore Posts: 868 Thanked: 478 Times View My Garage	Hey srinivas i was in the same position as you i wanted to buy the vdi but the waiting period of 6 months put me off so i changed my mind no car is worth waiting for 6 months unless u are getting it free .I heard the the new hyundai getz is coming out with a crdi engine next month i strongly advice you to go for it instead of a indigo or logan
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23rd June 2007, 23:25	#14
Thad E Ginathom Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 11,004 Thanked: 26,428 Times	The wagonr is ugly car! But inside that box is some good space. If you ever carry more than a briefcase in the boot, the Swift will be a disappointing car for you.
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