How good is a Wagon R ?

ram_hyundai · 27th April 2009, 20:13

Hey dceite ritz is not a replacement for W-R .Its much bigger than W-R.AFAIK its based on the swift platform.It is even costlier than a swift.W-R would be a good choice for your needs buddie.If you start thinking up there is no limit.Fix your budget and then think of options.
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ram

vnabhi · 27th April 2009, 20:50

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Originally Posted by DCEite

Well i have one for the past 5 years, and there is NO rattle yet. *touchwood* .It has run around 48k kms.

Maybe the newer ones develop rattles. I recently had a taxi ride in CNG WagonR (new model) , and it was rattling a lot from the rear door. But then maybe because it was a taxi.

Same case with my Waggie--no rattles. It has 49 K on the odo, and will complete 8 years in another 3 months.
Maintenance so far is limited to annual services, and replacement of 1 headlight bulb, and 2 rear bulbs, and of course spark plugs in the 40 k service.

greenhorn · 27th April 2009, 20:54

the older WR's were very well built. I know my uncle's second hand one (old shape) is built like a rock, and is in very good shape for its age, though it has run a lot.

On the other hand , time has not been as kind to some of my colleagues newer WR's .

jaysmokesleaves · 27th April 2009, 21:52

Thanks everyone, for contributing with your views.

I drove the Spark in Goa. Its nice, but I could never get used to the centrally mounted speedo display- its very distracting. Same goes for the Indica Vista. Besides, the spark has negligible luggage space. The Vista is NOT compact from any sense of the word. For me it would be involving as driving a sedan. Parking it would certainly not be a breeze and neither would driving through Bhendi bazar traffic. The qudrajet is diesel, im looking for petrol/gas. So from my perspective the Spark(though compact & cute) and the Indica Vista are out. That leaves me with the Estilo(cross breeding gone horribly wrong) and the Santro. Between the 2 I think the W R is better in terms of my criteria.

One question about the WR - How stable is the W R at 120kph(say on the pune expressway) ?
Are there any other COMPACT hatches due to be launched in the next few months ?

vnabhi · 27th April 2009, 22:03

I drove my WagonR only once at 120 on the GQ long back---but there were high cross-winds which made me feel a bit nervous. I never got another chance to rip it that fast, especially when there were no cross winds. It is great at 90 to 100, which are my normal speeds on the highway.
On the Pune expressway, I was overtaken by a WagonR when I was doing 120 on my Fiesta. I had to go past 130 to overtake him. However, I am not sure how the driver was feeling--whether it was steady or not.
In my opinion, the Waggie scores over the Santro in :-

Ride quality---soaks up bumps pretty well. Even rear seat passengers don't get a bumpy ride--in a Santro they are not that comfy at the rear.
Luggage space.
Better brakes and lights.
Better reliability.
Reclining and folding rear seats---however I am not sure if latest models have this feature

On the other hand a Santro has the following positives:-

Peppier to drive, especially in the city---better pick up in lower gears.
Driver's seat is more comfy for long journeys.
Better gear shifts.
Engine is more refined at higher rpms.

I suggest you TD both, and finally it is your call

pranava999 · 27th April 2009, 22:10

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Originally Posted by jaysmokesleaves

One question about the WR - How stable is the W R at 120kph(say on the pune expressway) ?
Are there any other COMPACT hatches due to be launched in the next few months ?

Well first off it's definitely not a car designed to do 120+kmh and deliver a stable handling experience on a highway for such speeds. Like someone pointed out its brakes are not that great at such speeds. I'm hoping they have improved them from the time I bought my car , 7 years ago.

Like I mentioned earlier, you will have to get wider tyres for better handling because with the stock tyre,s the car gets very jittery beyond 80kmh and a lot of it has has to do with the thin stock tyres.

I have never pushed my cars beyond 90kmh and don't intend to do so in the near future on our highways or expressways. So can't really tell you how the wagon r behaves at 120kmh.

I think the Fiat grande punto should be out soon apart from that not really sure.Maruti Ritz as well. Not sure if the 2 mentioned are compact in terms of dimensions.

greenhorn · 27th April 2009, 22:41

the WR is an entirely city creature. the spark, heck, the alto handles highways and triple digit speeds more confidently than the WR.

Sagittarian · 27th April 2009, 22:43

Wagon R is dated, why spend your money on a dated car bro? Maruti, Hyundai and Tata have newer cars that fits your bill. Why not one of them?

greenhorn · 27th April 2009, 22:57

he wants a small car that can handle 4 6 footers and city traffic with ease, and the santro/WagonR do it best

but if you are buying it for mostly city runs, why are you bothering about triple digit speeds ?

Shakensoul · 27th April 2009, 23:07

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Originally Posted by jaysmokesleaves

One question about the WR - How stable is the W R at 120kph(say on the pune expressway) ?

Definitely not stable with the stock tyres, but ride will definitely improve with better tyres.

pedrolourenco · 27th April 2009, 23:11

Wagon R is quite outdated now. Fuel efficiency is really bad. I drove one for a while and ended up spending the same amount on petrol as my Siena 1.6. The Wagon R DOES rattle. The Estilo is a better option if you must buy a Maruti. Otherwise the Indica Vista is a better option.

WanderNomad · 28th April 2009, 00:37

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Originally Posted by jaysmokesleaves

One question about the WR - How stable is the W R at 120kph (say on the pune expressway)?

Have driven my WagonR at 145 on NH - 1 and it was fairly stable (better than Scorpio). However wouldnt recommend you to try 145 on stock rubber as I have fairly wide tyres.

Its a nice car and I would definitely recommend it. We have one in the family for last 3 years and currently its being used by my sister.

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Originally Posted by pedrolourenco

The Estilo is a better option if you must buy a Maruti.

No idea abt the performance of Estilo but go for it only if you can survive the looks.

phamilyman · 28th April 2009, 07:19

Whats wrong with the 1.4 Logan in ~5L?

pedrolourenco · 28th April 2009, 09:11

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Originally Posted by WanderNomad

No idea abt the performance of Estilo but go for it only if you can survive the looks.

Performance will be the same almost as it uses the same engine. FE may be better because of the shape. I feel it looks much better than the boxy Wagon R. If you can survive the looks of the Dzire, you can survive anything.

The Logan is a good car. Looks a bit boxy but then as I said "If you can survive the looks of the Dzire, you can survive anything."

bharanidharang · 28th April 2009, 11:40

my WagonR has done almost 40K. Bought it in Sep 2006. Trouble free mostly. Mileage has been fantastic within the city. Around 13-14 with full AC. Out of town run gives around 18.

Only trouble i have had is with the Power Window getting stuck which was corrected quickly. My wife loves the car for the local runs in narrow lanes.

27th April 2009, 20:13	#16
ram_hyundai Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Calicut ,trisur Posts: 2,020 Thanked: 53 Times View My Garage	Hey dceite ritz is not a replacement for W-R .Its much bigger than W-R.AFAIK its based on the swift platform.It is even costlier than a swift.W-R would be a good choice for your needs buddie.If you start thinking up there is no limit.Fix your budget and then think of options. cheers ram
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27th April 2009, 20:54	#18
greenhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,745 Thanked: 4,395 Times View My Garage	the older WR's were very well built. I know my uncle's second hand one (old shape) is built like a rock, and is in very good shape for its age, though it has run a lot. On the other hand , time has not been as kind to some of my colleagues newer WR's .
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27th April 2009, 21:52	#19
jaysmokesleaves Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Mostly Mumbai Posts: 1,702 Thanked: 1,452 Times	Thanks everyone, for contributing with your views. I drove the Spark in Goa. Its nice, but I could never get used to the centrally mounted speedo display- its very distracting. Same goes for the Indica Vista. Besides, the spark has negligible luggage space. The Vista is NOT compact from any sense of the word. For me it would be involving as driving a sedan. Parking it would certainly not be a breeze and neither would driving through Bhendi bazar traffic. The qudrajet is diesel, im looking for petrol/gas. So from my perspective the Spark(though compact & cute) and the Indica Vista are out. That leaves me with the Estilo(cross breeding gone horribly wrong) and the Santro. Between the 2 I think the W R is better in terms of my criteria. One question about the WR - How stable is the W R at 120kph(say on the pune expressway) ? Are there any other COMPACT hatches due to be launched in the next few months ?
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27th April 2009, 22:03	#20
vnabhi Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: DC -> DC Posts: 5,958 Thanked: 2,393 Times View My Garage	I drove my WagonR only once at 120 on the GQ long back---but there were high cross-winds which made me feel a bit nervous. I never got another chance to rip it that fast, especially when there were no cross winds. It is great at 90 to 100, which are my normal speeds on the highway. On the Pune expressway, I was overtaken by a WagonR when I was doing 120 on my Fiesta. I had to go past 130 to overtake him. However, I am not sure how the driver was feeling--whether it was steady or not. In my opinion, the Waggie scores over the Santro in :- Ride quality---soaks up bumps pretty well. Even rear seat passengers don't get a bumpy ride--in a Santro they are not that comfy at the rear. Luggage space. Better brakes and lights. Better reliability. Reclining and folding rear seats---however I am not sure if latest models have this feature On the other hand a Santro has the following positives:- Peppier to drive, especially in the city---better pick up in lower gears. Driver's seat is more comfy for long journeys. Better gear shifts. Engine is more refined at higher rpms. I suggest you TD both, and finally it is your call
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27th April 2009, 22:41	#22
greenhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,745 Thanked: 4,395 Times View My Garage	the WR is an entirely city creature. the spark, heck, the alto handles highways and triple digit speeds more confidently than the WR. Last edited by greenhorn : 27th April 2009 at 22:58.
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27th April 2009, 22:43	#23
Sagittarian BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 61 Thanked: 2 Times	Wagon R is dated, why spend your money on a dated car bro? Maruti, Hyundai and Tata have newer cars that fits your bill. Why not one of them?
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27th April 2009, 22:57	#24
greenhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,745 Thanked: 4,395 Times View My Garage	he wants a small car that can handle 4 6 footers and city traffic with ease, and the santro/WagonR do it best but if you are buying it for mostly city runs, why are you bothering about triple digit speeds ?
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27th April 2009, 23:11	#26
pedrolourenco Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Margao, Goa Posts: 1,268 Thanked: 1,527 Times View My Garage	Wagon R is quite outdated now. Fuel efficiency is really bad. I drove one for a while and ended up spending the same amount on petrol as my Siena 1.6. The Wagon R DOES rattle. The Estilo is a better option if you must buy a Maruti. Otherwise the Indica Vista is a better option.
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28th April 2009, 07:19	#28
phamilyman Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 5,968 Thanked: 4,642 Times	Whats wrong with the 1.4 Logan in ~5L?
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28th April 2009, 11:40	#30
bharanidharang BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Chennai Posts: 402 Thanked: 254 Times Infractions: 0/1 (5)	my WagonR has done almost 40K. Bought it in Sep 2006. Trouble free mostly. Mileage has been fantastic within the city. Around 13-14 with full AC. Out of town run gives around 18. Only trouble i have had is with the Power Window getting stuck which was corrected quickly. My wife loves the car for the local runs in narrow lanes.
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