New zen Estilo or Wagon R or Ritz Petrol?

ampere · 30th September 2009, 18:35

Astar and Ritz are much more solidly built than Estillo. Thats why I had some thoughts about Estillo

.anshuman · 30th September 2009, 19:02

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Originally Posted by ampere

Astar and Ritz are much more solidly built than Estillo. Thats why I had some thoughts about Estillo

A-star and Ritz are both generations ahead of the Estilo(M R Wagon in japan) which was discontinued years back, even before it was launched in india.

For Estilo, the new facelift which was done primarily to make more space for the K series engine so the facelift was passed on as complimentary. With no Discounts offered as of now its not good value for me.

funda2max · 1st October 2009, 10:16

Thanks everyone. We finally decided on Ritz VXi and booked the same yesterday. Delivery will be on next week. Color : Racing green

.anshuman · 1st October 2009, 11:22

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Originally Posted by funda2max

Thanks everyone. We finally decided on Ritz VXi and booked the same yesterday. Delivery will be on next week. Color : Racing green

But your signature says you've booked a Swift VDi, time to update your signature.

funda2max · 1st October 2009, 11:47

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Originally Posted by .anshuman

But your signature says you've booked a Swift VDi, time to update your signature.

Nope, Swift VDi is for me.

Crank · 1st October 2009, 12:23

Congrats on the new purchase. It's for your bro right?

Yes Estilo seems flimsy when compared to the build quality of Ritz or Swift.

ampere · 1st October 2009, 14:52

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Originally Posted by Crank

Congrats on the new purchase. It's for your bro right?

Yes Estilo seems flimsy when compared to the build quality of Ritz or Swift.

And this is in spite of the new K-Series Engine in the new Estillo.

funda2max · 4th October 2009, 16:32

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Originally Posted by Crank

Congrats on the new purchase. It's for your bro right?

Yes Estilo seems flimsy when compared to the build quality of Ritz or Swift.

Yes, it is for my brother. We narrowed down to Ritz petrol. Price difference is around 60K between Ritz VXi and Estilo VXi.

sridhar_setty · 4th October 2009, 22:03

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Originally Posted by funda2max

Yes, it is for my brother. We narrowed down to Ritz petrol. Price difference is around 60K between Ritz VXi and Estilo VXi.

If you some more budget, you can check out ZXi. Ritz ZXi is excellent VFM. But, I guess there is long waiting period for ZXi...

ampere · 5th October 2009, 12:52

I TD a VDI over the weekend. The dealer did not have a petrol model and got a diesel one. This is the first diesel I have ever driven in my life and I must say, I was pleasantly surprised by its performance. Its just amazing and did not feel like a diesel at all !

sgiitk · 5th October 2009, 14:50

Modern diesels are very tractable, reasonable quiet, and refined.

I will also vote for the Ritz as the car of choice.

ampere · 5th October 2009, 17:19

Since my parent's requirements are not much of heavy duty driving, I am not looking into diesel. Maybe VXI will be a good option.

Having said that, I now wonder, if VDI should be a good default option, even if usage is low. How much it differs in maintainance cost on a Ritz petrol Vs. diesel? Any answers?

Also can folks point me to good threads on petrol vs. diesel maitainence options?

sridhar_setty · 5th October 2009, 21:12

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Originally Posted by ampere

Since my parent's requirements are not much of heavy duty driving, I am not looking into diesel. Maybe VXI will be a good option.

Having said that, I now wonder, if VDI should be a good default option, even if usage is low. How much it differs in maintainance cost on a Ritz petrol Vs. diesel? Any answers?

Also can folks point me to good threads on petrol vs. diesel maitainence options?

Its more on running costs. To crack this, I did the maths some time back and with a breakeven at 3 years, you need to run atleast 30 kms a day to begin your calculation...

I will try to explain my calculation below:

Price difference between VDi and VXi = Rs.80,000

Now, lets calculate breakeven for 3 years for Rs. 80,000. But, resale advantage of Rs. 40,000 for VDi would make it to Rs. 40,000.

So, Rs.40,000 / 36 months => Rs. 1,111 pm => 22 lts of petrol @ Rs. 50 per lt => 330 km per month. So, you can run for another 10 km on VXi on the principal.

At 12 % pa, you will get close to Rs. 800 pm as interest.
For Rs.800 pm you can get 40 lts of petrol => 600 km @ Rs.50 per lt.

600 Km => 20 km per day, VXi can run for 20 kms a day just on the interest on price difference with VDi (without considering price fluctuations)

If you are using below 30 kms a day, you can run VXi just on the initial price difference.

Note: The above calculations are just rough ones, and people are welcome to correct

romeomidhun · 6th October 2009, 20:27

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Originally Posted by sridhar_setty

At 12 % pa, you will get close to Rs. 800 pm as interest.

This is wrong in the context you have cited.

If you are using the principal amount of RS 40,000 for day-to-day fuel expense, you cannot calculate interest for the whole 80,000 for 3 years. On an average, you can calculate interest for RS 60,000 only.

So, at 12 % pa, you will get close to Rs. 600 pm as interest.

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Originally Posted by sridhar_setty

For Rs.800 pm you can get 40 lts of petrol => 600 km @ Rs.50 per lt.

This is also wrong. You will get only 16 ltrs of petrol for Rs 800 @ Rs 50 per ltr.

We've recalculated the interest as RS 600 above. That means 12 ltrs of petrol.
12 ltrs of petrol => 180 kms per month => 6 kms per day. So the total Kilometers that can be covered using the extra bucks is only 16 kms (10 + 6) per day.

sridhar_setty · 6th October 2009, 21:56

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Originally Posted by romeomidhun

This is wrong in the context you have cited.

If you are using the principal amount of RS 40,000 for day-to-day fuel expense, you cannot calculate interest for the whole 80,000 for 3 years. On an average, you can calculate interest for RS 60,000 only.

So, at 12 % pa, you will get close to Rs. 600 pm as interest.

This is also wrong. You will get only 16 ltrs of petrol for Rs 800 @ Rs 50 per ltr.

We've recalculated the interest as RS 600 above. That means 12 ltrs of petrol.
12 ltrs of petrol => 180 kms per month => 6 kms per day. So the total Kilometers that can be covered using the extra bucks is only 16 kms (10 + 6) per day.

Thanks for correcting.

Though I didn't get why you made it to Rs.60,000 for calculating the interest, it doesn't matter much. So, we can run for 16 kms per day free of cost if we opt for VXi instead of VDi.

Some more calculation:

Running at 30 kms per day:
VXi running expense = Rs.1400 per month (reducing 16 kms per day as above)
VDi running expense = Rs.1750 per month (mileage at 18 kmpl and diesel price at Rs.35 per lt)

To realize advantage of VDi over VXi, you need to run atleast 30 kms a day or 900 kms per month.

30th September 2009, 18:35	#31
ampere Team-BHP Support Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 17,945 Thanked: 12,928 Times View My Garage	Astar and Ritz are much more solidly built than Estillo. Thats why I had some thoughts about Estillo
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1st October 2009, 10:16	#33
funda2max BHPian Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 377 Thanked: 26 Times	Thanks everyone. We finally decided on Ritz VXi and booked the same yesterday. Delivery will be on next week. Color : Racing green
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1st October 2009, 12:23	#36
Crank BHPian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chennai Posts: 259 Thanked: 82 Times	Congrats Congrats on the new purchase. It's for your bro right? Yes Estilo seems flimsy when compared to the build quality of Ritz or Swift.
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5th October 2009, 12:52	#40
ampere Team-BHP Support Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 17,945 Thanked: 12,928 Times View My Garage	I TD a VDI over the weekend. The dealer did not have a petrol model and got a diesel one. This is the first diesel I have ever driven in my life and I must say, I was pleasantly surprised by its performance. Its just amazing and did not feel like a diesel at all !
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5th October 2009, 14:50	#41
sgiitk BANNED Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Gurugram Posts: 7,969 Thanked: 4,788 Times	Modern diesels are very tractable, reasonable quiet, and refined. I will also vote for the Ritz as the car of choice.
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5th October 2009, 17:19	#42
ampere Team-BHP Support Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 17,945 Thanked: 12,928 Times View My Garage	Since my parent's requirements are not much of heavy duty driving, I am not looking into diesel. Maybe VXI will be a good option. Having said that, I now wonder, if VDI should be a good default option, even if usage is low. How much it differs in maintainance cost on a Ritz petrol Vs. diesel? Any answers? Also can folks point me to good threads on petrol vs. diesel maitainence options?
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