17th March 2009, 06:48
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By the way Doc, since you have some insight into fuel pump operations may be you would know :- Why in India we still dont have self service type of fuel stations? These types of pumps could reduce the operations costs considerably. Regards, | |
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19th March 2009, 03:04
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| ATC is the final answer. Quote:
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We must remember, that, even writing HIV positive on a patient's case paper is considered a breach of confidentiality and discrimination by labeling ! Until Automatic Temperature Correction of the fuel that we buy is not implemented in India, every customer is cheated every time, irrespective of the petrol pump !  | ||
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19th March 2009, 17:20
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However do not expect Temperature controlled storage systems at pumps, Source - own pump | |
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19th March 2009, 19:13
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20th March 2009, 03:41
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| Unmanned Petrol Stations. Quote:
Some of the problems in India are: 1. Labor is still cheaper. I wanted to set up an automatic car wash in the 1980's but decided against it due to reasons that hold good even today: it’s much cheaper to get some person to wash your vehicle (outside and interiors) for an entire month at a fraction of the cost of one (outer) automatic car wash! 2. Integrity: an unmanned petrol station will be a 'soft' target in a country where people will even risk their lives to puncture high pressure pipelines, pilfer LPG from a pressurized LPG tanker with an ordinary garden hose, deface even public property, pilfer fuel from sealed tankers, cut and collect nozzles /hoses/ pump side panels and motors as souvenirs or just sell them in scrap. 3. In many countries, unmanned pumps are used in rural areas, but may be considered in the near future in urban areas first. The nearest to an unmanned pump I had heard was from Reliance which was planning to use its Infocomm arm to power this system with its payment through mobile facility and R-world back-up. (But mobile usage at the petrol pump...even CDMA?) 4. No level playing field: PSU oil companies are subsidized, while private oil companies are not. Petrol and Diesel pricing has not been deregulated yet. New companies which are more likely to set up this system are unsure of the future. 5. Use of plastic money and e-cash is still relatively new in our country. 6. Electronic surveillance systems have improved and become cost effective only in the last decade. 7. NEFT (National Electronic Fund Transfer), ECS (Electronic Clearing Service) and RTGS (Real Time Gross Settlement) is just being introduced in the PSU petrol pumps with a target of achieving 20% of all petrol pump transactions by RTGS this year. 8. Employment generating potential of the petrol pumps will reduce drastically. This point slows down government approach to this type of petrol pumps. 9. Safety aspects of unmanned petrol stations will have to be anticipated and addressed. 10. Simple unforeseen problems like disabling Auto-fill. Imagine what could happen if a previous customer or a friend hands you a nozzle that has not been unlocked or by mistake locked at the trigger and you or another friend/ family member generally shuts off the dispensing unit by hand (this will invariably happen one day when we self-fill regularly) and punches your pre-set and releases the nozzle cradle lever. In such a situation you will have no control over the flow if the nozzle has not been introduced into the tank yet. This mistake has been made by petrol pump attendants especially at two/three wheeler points. I have treated a couple of patients who have been drenched in petrol by such mistakes. At 40 to 70 liters per minute, the flow of fuel can pack quite a wallop!  | |
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20th March 2009, 08:42
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22nd March 2009, 17:05
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| Temperature Compensation. Quote:
Temperature Compensation or Volume Correction is practiced through-out the World and in India for inter PSU Oil Company sale and transfer, payment of Central Excise, Oil Company Sales Tax returns and even to COCO outlets. In many other countries, it is also applied through an Automatic Temperature Compensator for customers also. Please go through the following thread in detail: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...ty-diesel.html If you carefully see your own petrol pump invoice, you will notice a column (that has been always printed on your bill but never filled) for conversion of the quantity billed to you into the theoretical quantity at 15 ºC. Your purchase bills would then fall by 1 -3 % ! P.S.: I liked your website (SPOTNANA::First & Business Class International Travel) design. Its very well done. | |
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22nd March 2009, 21:28
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Last night at around 10:30 I asked the attendant to fill petrol to a bottle (for my bike - someone stole when parked at basement). To my surprise, it was hot! i said hot coz, at that night it was even more than a warm in temprature to feel. mmmjgm had already answered before even i ask here. I filled at BP putrol station opp. to Manipal Hosptal on old-airport road. | |
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23rd March 2009, 03:37
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| Hot Petrol ? Quote:
By definition, 'Warm' petrol is about 17 ºC and signifies approximately 0.25% difference in volume. 'Hot' petrol is about 24 ºC and signifies approximately 1% difference in volume. (Source: NEL, UK Report) In contrast, distinctly hot petrol, as you have felt would be above 30 ºC. That would be at least 2 % less energy per unit volume for your purchase. A petrol dispensing unit with an ATC (Automatic Temperature Compensator) would have delivered 2% or more petrol depending on the temperature of the petrol, for the same amount of money that you had paid. Again I would recommend that you may please go through the following thread in detail: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...ty-diesel.html One more common reason (besides the ones I have explained in previous posts) for getting hot fuel in the night is when a petrol tanker has recently been emptied into the underground storage tank which has a low level of previous stock. Then the hotter new stock will heat the lesser cooler stock and the entire stock of fuel will now be higher than the temperature of the surrounding soil/earth. Most Petrol Pumps in the Metros and large cities receive fuel supplies at least once, twice or even thrice a day. This is what must have happened.  | |
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23rd March 2009, 18:33
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23rd March 2009, 23:37
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1. BP on Jeevan bhima nagar main road > My regular one. No tricks so far. 2. BP on Tippa sandra main road > Irresponsible attendants. But no tricks 3. HPCL coco on airport road next to wind tunnel road > They tricked me once 4. BPCL opposite Manipal. > My regular one. Find them alright. But you see my post above - Petrol was hot enough at close to midnight! | |
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24th March 2009, 01:13
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| HPCL coco on airport road -> my regular one, but be alert else they may trick you IOC -> strict no no Quote:
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24th March 2009, 10:24
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25th March 2009, 19:00
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25th March 2009, 21:22
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