27th April 2011, 11:55 | #76 | |
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1.6L R16A1 is no longer in production. Its replaced by 1.5L mill. It used to be available 3-4 years back. It was a destroked R18 block which was used in Turkey for tax purpose. They have a detuned version of 1.8L now which is available in India also along with other south-east markets. And if i remember correctly, they introduced i-Vtec with 1.8 Block which again was based on 1.7L Sohc Vtec known as D17A. Before that it was just Vtec. I could be wrong though. Experts can correct me. | |
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I'm not disputing that. In fact, in one of my earlier posts, I had mentioned that the Jazz is sold as the 'Fit' in US and in China. The City was never meant for markets other than the (developing) South-East-Asian markets, eg. India, Thailand, etc. I'm sorry, but was I not clear enough? Quote:
The 1.5 mill was seen in the Jazz only for the North American market and the 1.2 and 1.3 mills were seen in the Jazz/Fit in European markets and in Asian markets, apart from the 1.5 mill, of course. Last edited by suhaas307 : 27th April 2011 at 12:22. | ||
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Now, we have quite a lot of comments - on Jazz being over-priced, or on the need for re-aligning the prices with the launch of 1.5 variant. Now on a separate note, I think Honda should think of revising the City prices. I feel the car is over-priced, and some kind of price correction will help Honda. I can understand their resistance to undervalue Jazz, but they can help the customers by doing price correction to the over-valued City. It’s beneficial for the company because it may help to combat the threat from Vento (and also from the upcoming Fiesta). | |||||||
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27th April 2011, 13:22 | #79 |
Team-BHP Support | Re: Honda Jazz F/L with 1.5 coming by June end What is the GC of the Jazz? How does it compared to other hatches in the territory? Also what is the best tyre upgrade which can be done? |
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27th April 2011, 13:46 | #80 |
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| Re: Honda Jazz F/L with 1.5 coming by June end I think one of the points being ignored here is the FE. If the 1.5L Jazz can give significantly better FE than a 1.5L sedan, then that may weigh heavily on the consumer's minds also, especially considering the ever increasing petrol prices (soon to hit Rs. 60+ in Delhi). Other than that, it's success or failure truly depends on pricing, pricing, pricing. I don't expect this to be an astounding success like the Figo and Etios etc. but I think there's a place in the marker for a premium hatchback. |
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Overall, I am very happy with this decision..but feeling bad because I could have bought it if I would have waited somewhat more. Actually, I never expected Honda to launch the Jazz 1.5 in India given the poor sales. But, they proved me wrong! The 1.2 in the current jazz is very good but still the 1.5 would have been ideal for me ............ | ||||
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27th April 2011, 14:44 | #82 | |
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Dont dismiss the common Indian just because he/she loves to buy a sedan. There are logics behind it and if you cant get their logic that's fine. But, do not underestimate his/her wisdom. Yes, ANHC is overpriced and yes, it lacks features; that's what I felt when I purchased and even now. Damn, I waited to make a decision only to see that it gettign costlier. But, I did not have another option then. But, Jazz is way overpriced. Otherwise, why it does not sell? And how Hyundai manages to sell i20 so well with a playstation-like super light steering and soft suspension and underpowered engine (petrol one)? It's pricing! BTW, I did have a look at the Jazz and I was tempted to get this instead of ANHC for some time. But, those magic seats....how much ever praise one showers on those, the fact remains that those are thiner and firmer and with steeper back rest, those are basically slgihtly ergonomically poor-designed seats comapred to ANHC. It was not as comfortable as ANHC. Car is a luxury thing and the most luxurious thing in a car is to travel in it's back seat and I did not want to compromise on that. The other point that was a let down: the front seats and front dash instrument cluster etc are fantastic in Jazz and better than ANHC but Honda did not give same treatment to rear passenger area. Rather it is more of a step-motherly treatment. The two sections are not in harmony. Also, if I remember correctly, initially, there were no rear parcel shelf. If I understand the needs and psychology of urban Indian population, Jazz and City is targetted to two different segments of modern urban India populace. Jazz is more for a young, either unmarried or just married person (<30) with a fat pay cheque and the City is more for a slightly older person( 30+), having a family with one/two kids and parents living along with, having more responsibilities to shoulder, of course with a equally fat pay cheque, if not more. Honda understood the second batch pretty well and that's what is reflected in the sales. I feel Honda need to understand the first batch a little more to get some more sales in Jazz. These are views from a layman perspective, from the perspective of an average car buyer without much technical knowledge of cars. Cheers Pratim Last edited by pratim : 27th April 2011 at 14:46. | |
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27th April 2011, 14:58 | #83 | |
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Also, I dont think it has got much to do with a pay cheque; there are many people who get a fat pay cheque but still choose to spend less on cars, there are others who may not get a fat pay cheque but are willing to take on debts in order to enjoy the car of their choice, even if that may mean spending a bit more | |
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27th April 2011, 15:48 | #84 | |
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Yes, Jazz looks futuristic to me and believe me, it turns heads The things you say about fat pay cheque, married, unmarried and all seem ridiculous to me. I, myself, am married with a kid and well past 30 (unfortunate but true) and I know people older than me who have bought Jazz! And no, my pay cheque is not that fat! I am not underestimating anybody but generally Indians' affinity towards sedan is a known thing even if they do not use the back seat that often! I have been tired of answering people why I bought a 'small car' when I could have got a 'big car' at that price - they do not even think about the features, quality, engineering, my priorities before asking this question. So, this is something which is a fact and it's better we accept it but I am not saying it's wrong - everyone has the choice to use own's money in the way he thinks its best used! I have said in my earlier post that ANHC has much better back seat and Jazz is not for anyone who is going to be chauffeur driven mostly! So, no arguments there! No more posts from my side on this topic. Last edited by adimicra : 27th April 2011 at 15:50. | |
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27th April 2011, 15:59 | #86 |
Senior - BHPian | Re: Honda Jazz F/L with 1.5 coming by June end Dear TBHPian Hold on to your horses. I think we have had enough discussion on this topic. Bottom line is both Jazz and ANHC rock in their respective worlds. BTW @sidindica: Is Honda planning to give away the current Jazz at heavily discounted price to clear the stock? If it comes to about 7 lacs for the Jazz X, I might just get one for me. |
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27th April 2011, 16:42 | #87 |
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Well said. The runaway success of weird looking Dzire indicates Indians' love for sedans. |
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As far as tyre upgrades are concerned, I'd say the diameter of the wheel is fine. 15" is adequate and strikes a good balance between handling and comfort. What one can do is go in for wider tyres. 195/60 R15" would be a good upgrade, is my guess. ---------------------------------------------------- I've always been an advocate of the Jazz. So pardon me if my tone seems harsh, It isn't meant to be. Quote:
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The i20 does well, not because it costs 6 lakhs. It's because Hyundai knows how to attract the typical Indian customer. 3 words. Bang-for-buck! Give him a car with loads of features and wrap it in a good looking body, and it will sell. But peel the exterior off the Jazz, and you'll know that technically, it's probably the best engineered petrol car out there. The engine-gearbox-suspension and overall design is so sound, that nothing from Hyundai will come close. You have to pay a price for engineering. Like someone said earlier in the thread, the Jazz and the Civic cost almost the same in the US market, but the Jazz sells like hot cakes. There is a reason behind that. Quote:
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| Re: Honda Jazz F/L with 1.5 coming by June end Jazz 1.5 don't do any good in there sales nos. As most of the buyers today are looking for Diesel Cars because of the rapid increase in Petrol prices. Honda doesn't seems to be interested in bringing the diesel Engines to Indian market. I would have bought a Jazz if it has Honda's i-DTEC diesel engine even at a premium price. Last edited by ashok_lat : 27th April 2011 at 17:19. |
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