Mitsubishi Pajero now available in BS-4

sidindica · 26th April 2011, 00:02

HM-Mitsubishi has finally launched the BS 4 version of its pajero. The car is available at dealerships now. Am not aware of the prices, but the engine's power and torque is now reduced marginally in order to compensate for the ever tightening emission norms.

Power is about 108 hp and torque from its IDI 2835 cc turbo diesel motor is about 260 nm.

swiftnfurious · 26th April 2011, 00:21

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Originally Posted by sidindica

HM-Mitsubishi has finally launched the BS 4 version of its pajero. The car is available at dealerships now. Am not aware of the prices, but the engine's power and torque is now reduced marginally in order to compensate for the ever tightening emission norms.

Power is about 108 hp and torque from its IDI 2835 cc turbo diesel motor is about 260 nm.

Sid, Pajero's power was 118hp previously right ? Is there a reduction of 10 hp because of the norms? Thats bad !!

n.devdath · 26th April 2011, 00:32

That is sad news. I expected them to plonk in a new engine or re tune the old one to improve the power, FE and emission figures. 108 BHP on the already underpowered vehicle feels too low.

mdsaab · 26th April 2011, 02:01

Hope that mitsubishi correct the pricing of the Pajero too.
just as the power has gone down, if the price follows suit it would make a much more attractive package

simply_sunny001 · 26th April 2011, 04:50

Pajero is already losing out to competition due to being already high priced and a less powered engine and now they have reduced it even more.

not good on mitshubishi's part, rather than taking the competion head on, they are just letting it go.

Sahil · 26th April 2011, 11:09

Come on ! Discontinue it already. They trying to create another Ambassador legacy here?

Rather focus on more promising products such as the Outlander, new Lancer etc.

ACM · 26th April 2011, 13:23

Sid good to have the update, but Pajero with the 8% drop in power needs to similary drop prices by 18%. It was just about ok in terms of power and pickup and this drop will not make it worth picking up new, If someone wants a pajero at all cost would recommend he buy the SXF from the last 2 years rather than go for a new one. I just wonder why they could have not obtained a more powerful engine for the pajero even if in the same form factor. It will I think be the last nail - presuming that the buyer looks at the spec sheet and takes a test drive.

.anshuman · 26th April 2011, 13:26

10bhp is a major loss for Pajero, whose competitors have much more modern and powerful engines. The Pajero used shorter gearing to compensate for lack of power, which gave it good driveability but robbed it of FE. Are there any other changes?

What about the BSIII version? Is it still available with older specs?

GTO · 26th April 2011, 20:07

Here's something to really think about. Want to know the reason HM reported to the BIFR (linky)? It's right here on this very thread.

It's been ONE YEAR since the BS-IV norms were applied in various Indian metros. While newer manufacturers like Tata & Mahindra have developed some truly competitive products in the last decade, HM has primarily relied on imported / outsourced technology. You'd think their job would be easy, but NO! They take ONE FULL YEAR after BS-IV was mandatory to launch an emissions-compliant version of their 20 lakh rupee product. And it's not like the BSIV norms were imposed overnight. The industry had sufficient time for preps. Heck, some manufacturers released BSIV compliant products even before April 2010 (@ HM, it's called proactiveness BTW).

I guess they'll take another year or two to offer an immobiliser in the Pajero. Despite a 2 lakh rupee Maruti 800 having the same, and being fully aware that the Paj is a thief-magnet.

Hindustan Motors should rebrand themselves to Hibernation Motors

Mpower · 26th April 2011, 21:15

The Pajero's biggest Achilles heel was its weak old school diesel engine. To make matters worse, its lost more power now.

How hard is it to plonk the engine from the Montero and detune it? I realize its from a higher segment but don't the 520d and 320d use the same engine?

hotpursuit · 26th April 2011, 21:45

Mitsubishi couldn't have picked anyone worse to enter the Market. As GTO rightly pointed out, HM is nothing but a bunch of lazy guys least interested in 'Cars', just going to work for monthly salary. Its like some govt office this thing. Do they have to pass every damn decision like a parliamentary process? Seriously, its time they break the deal and start over.

.anshuman · 27th April 2011, 01:16

Mitsubishi Montero too got a power upgrade recently, before that it was slower than even the Ford Endeavour. How does a 0-100kph in close to 15s for a 40+lakh rupee vehicle sound to you?

n.devdath · 27th April 2011, 02:38

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Originally Posted by .anshuman

Mitsubishi Montero too got a power upgrade recently, before that it was slower than even the Ford Endeavour. How does a 0-100kph in close to 15s for a 40+lakh rupee vehicle sound to you?

Sounds bad, to most, which is why it doesn't sell in the numbers it can/should. Of course, this is apart from the other drawbacks it has.

4x4addict · 28th April 2011, 15:10

But guys remember that because the Pajero 2.8 used to win the Paris Dakar back in the day, there are die hard Pajero fans who will continue to find reasons to buy this overpriced and underpowered relic even if the power dropped to 75 bhp.

Unless you spend most of your days tracking wildlife in a jungle, I can't think of any valid reason why some one would spend 20 Lakhs to buy an multicolored SUV with 115 bhp that can barely keep up with a Scorpio or Safari and give 7 to 8 kmph doing so, seats 4 people and is sold and serviced by a company that is sinking into a hole that it cannot crawl out of...

Pajero has it's merits and I would buy a good used one for under 15 Lakhs but now way would I spend 20+ Lakhs to buy this relic.

asr245 · 28th April 2011, 15:21

108hp for that 2 ton behemoth!! Why the heck anyone buys that? And that too at 20L+!!

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Originally Posted by 4x4addict

Unless you spend most of your days tracking wildlife in a jungle, I can't think of any valid reason why some one would spend 20 Lakhs to buy an multicolored SUV with 115 bhp that can barely keep up with a Scorpio or Safari and give 7 to 8 kmph doing so, seats 4 people and is sold and serviced by a company that is sinking into a hole that it cannot crawl out of...

Really, so why do people continue to buy it? Just coz it used to win Dakar's some decades ago?

26th April 2011, 00:02	#1
sidindica Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 4,892 Thanked: 8,106 Times	Mitsubishi Pajero now available in BS-4 HM-Mitsubishi has finally launched the BS 4 version of its pajero. The car is available at dealerships now. Am not aware of the prices, but the engine's power and torque is now reduced marginally in order to compensate for the ever tightening emission norms. Power is about 108 hp and torque from its IDI 2835 cc turbo diesel motor is about 260 nm.
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26th April 2011, 00:32	#3
n.devdath BANNED Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 4,287 Thanked: 2,811 Times	Re: Mitsubishi Pajero now available in BS-4 That is sad news. I expected them to plonk in a new engine or re tune the old one to improve the power, FE and emission figures. 108 BHP on the already underpowered vehicle feels too low.
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26th April 2011, 02:01	#4
mdsaab Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Pune Posts: 1,624 Thanked: 453 Times	Re: Mitsubishi Pajero now available in BS-4 Hope that mitsubishi correct the pricing of the Pajero too. just as the power has gone down, if the price follows suit it would make a much more attractive package
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26th April 2011, 04:50	#5
simply_sunny001 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: London & Rohtak Posts: 1,340 Thanked: 18 Times View My Garage	Re: Mitsubishi Pajero now available in BS-4 Pajero is already losing out to competition due to being already high priced and a less powered engine and now they have reduced it even more. not good on mitshubishi's part, rather than taking the competion head on, they are just letting it go.
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26th April 2011, 11:09	#6
Sahil Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 6,292 Thanked: 7,607 Times	Re: Mitsubishi Pajero now available in BS-4 Come on ! Discontinue it already. They trying to create another Ambassador legacy here? Rather focus on more promising products such as the Outlander, new Lancer etc.
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26th April 2011, 13:23	#7
ACM Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 4,745 Thanked: 4,361 Times View My Garage	Re: Mitsubishi Pajero now available in BS-4 Sid good to have the update, but Pajero with the 8% drop in power needs to similary drop prices by 18%. It was just about ok in terms of power and pickup and this drop will not make it worth picking up new, If someone wants a pajero at all cost would recommend he buy the SXF from the last 2 years rather than go for a new one. I just wonder why they could have not obtained a more powerful engine for the pajero even if in the same form factor. It will I think be the last nail - presuming that the buyer looks at the spec sheet and takes a test drive.
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26th April 2011, 13:26	#8
.anshuman Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Good-Gaon Posts: 7,763 Thanked: 11,064 Times View My Garage	Re: Mitsubishi Pajero now available in BS-4 10bhp is a major loss for Pajero, whose competitors have much more modern and powerful engines. The Pajero used shorter gearing to compensate for lack of power, which gave it good driveability but robbed it of FE. Are there any other changes? What about the BSIII version? Is it still available with older specs?
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26th April 2011, 20:07	#9
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 70,520 Thanked: 300,710 Times View My Garage	Re: Mitsubishi Pajero now available in BS-4 Here's something to really think about. Want to know the reason HM reported to the BIFR (linky)? It's right here on this very thread. It's been ONE YEAR since the BS-IV norms were applied in various Indian metros. While newer manufacturers like Tata & Mahindra have developed some truly competitive products in the last decade, HM has primarily relied on imported / outsourced technology. You'd think their job would be easy, but NO! They take ONE FULL YEAR after BS-IV was mandatory to launch an emissions-compliant version of their 20 lakh rupee product. And it's not like the BSIV norms were imposed overnight. The industry had sufficient time for preps. Heck, some manufacturers released BSIV compliant products even before April 2010 (@ HM, it's called proactiveness BTW). I guess they'll take another year or two to offer an immobiliser in the Pajero. Despite a 2 lakh rupee Maruti 800 having the same, and being fully aware that the Paj is a thief-magnet. Hindustan Motors should rebrand themselves to Hibernation Motors Last edited by GTO : 26th April 2011 at 20:09.
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26th April 2011, 21:15	#10
Mpower Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 10,409 Thanked: 1,730 Times View My Garage	Re: Mitsubishi Pajero now available in BS-4 The Pajero's biggest Achilles heel was its weak old school diesel engine. To make matters worse, its lost more power now. How hard is it to plonk the engine from the Montero and detune it? I realize its from a higher segment but don't the 520d and 320d use the same engine?
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26th April 2011, 21:45	#11
hotpursuit BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 95 Thanked: 0 Times	Re: Mitsubishi Pajero now available in BS-4 Mitsubishi couldn't have picked anyone worse to enter the Market. As GTO rightly pointed out, HM is nothing but a bunch of lazy guys least interested in 'Cars', just going to work for monthly salary. Its like some govt office this thing. Do they have to pass every damn decision like a parliamentary process? Seriously, its time they break the deal and start over.
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27th April 2011, 01:16	#12
.anshuman Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Good-Gaon Posts: 7,763 Thanked: 11,064 Times View My Garage	Re: Mitsubishi Pajero now available in BS-4 Mitsubishi Montero too got a power upgrade recently, before that it was slower than even the Ford Endeavour. How does a 0-100kph in close to 15s for a 40+lakh rupee vehicle sound to you?
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28th April 2011, 15:10	#14
4x4addict Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 4,483 Thanked: 4,531 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (5)	Re: Mitsubishi Pajero now available in BS-4 But guys remember that because the Pajero 2.8 used to win the Paris Dakar back in the day, there are die hard Pajero fans who will continue to find reasons to buy this overpriced and underpowered relic even if the power dropped to 75 bhp. Unless you spend most of your days tracking wildlife in a jungle, I can't think of any valid reason why some one would spend 20 Lakhs to buy an multicolored SUV with 115 bhp that can barely keep up with a Scorpio or Safari and give 7 to 8 kmph doing so, seats 4 people and is sold and serviced by a company that is sinking into a hole that it cannot crawl out of... Pajero has it's merits and I would buy a good used one for under 15 Lakhs but now way would I spend 20+ Lakhs to buy this relic.
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