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| ![]() True - Honda became like any other high selling brands in India. But not just by throwing away the frills, but also by compromising so much on safety. They've learnt how to make money. |
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| ![]() Let's be true to ourselves. Times have changed. Manufacturers have shifted their priorities. Honda and Toyota both have fallen in the quality which they used to provide earlier. Maybe it's cos of rising costs or market demand or whatever but I don't see us getting the quality products which rest of the world gets. Most manufacturers will keep providing us cost cutting cars cos we have learned to accept them and I don't see this trend changing in near future. |
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Coming back to the topic what you've said is what I was trying to say actually. Honda started as a premium brand in India not just because of pricing but also because of product quality. Now their recently launched products are nowhere near the likes of Civic etc. when it comes to quality even though they are several segment lower. They are made as VFM is a different topic altogether. But we bhpians always want quality over VFM don't we? That is the reason why we think twice before striking off Jetta/Octavia while choosing a D segment car. They are unreliable but they are the machines our hearts want. A common man would simply go and buy a reliable car. PS. I'm not saying Honda has become unreliable. Honda is still a very reliable car and everyone knows that. Quote:
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| ![]() An article from economic times, contrasting the different ways in which the respective global headquarters see the Indian market. Quote:
Mods: Please merge this with an appropriate thread if needed. Last edited by noopster : 23rd February 2015 at 19:38. Reason: Moved to existing thread and included an abstract of the article in the text | |
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| ![]() Read the article completely and it is clear the India is way out of its priorities for Toyota and this will also mean that there will be nothing India-specific in the near future :( |
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The whole article seems to be based on the absolute numbers each company delivers. However, there is a different side to the story as well. Taking the December sales figures as an example- Honda had total sales of around 14.4k units where City with around 6k units and Amaze with around 5.1k units brought majority of those customers to the showrooms. City is priced average of around 12L and Amaze around 8L. Toyota on the other hand had only 11.7k total sales, however consisting majorly of Innova with 4.8k, Fortuner with 1.3k and Corolla with almost a thousand. Etios also chipped in with 2.5k units. Now, it's anybody's guess that Fortuner and Innova are two of the most profitable (for the manufacturer in terms of margins. In other words - overpriced) vehicles in the country priced around 30L average for Fortuner and 17L average for Innova. Also, Honda has only the City as a segment topper, while Toyota leads three segments with a good margin of sales over its competition. Toyota is not in such a bad position as the overall numbers (and the Economic Times article) suggest. Quote:
Shouldn't that be a good thing? 'India - specific' is mostly just a fancy way of saying 'cheap'. The India specific Etios twins are an example. Now with Toyota testing the Vios and the Rush compact SUV, I think they might just get back in the game soon. Even the article says the biggest weakness for Toyota is the lack of an entry level sedan and a compact SUV. Guess they should read more team-BHP news. ![]() Last edited by CrAzY dRiVeR : 24th February 2015 at 05:46. | ||
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | ![]() What a turnaround for Honda Cars India, from the day this thread was started by GTO (way back in 2011, when Honda was ranked 9th in the Indian domestic market), to this piece of news! Autocar Professional reports that India has now entered Honda's top 5 markets globally, placing itself firmly at number 4! The USA still occupies top spot as Honda's largest market, with China at #2, home-country Japan at #3 and India at #4. Canada rounds up the top 5. ![]() Quote:
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | ![]() ET Auto reports that Honda India is confident of repeating double-digit growth this fiscal year after the launch of the all-new Jazz. It is investing Rs. 380 crores to expand production capacity in it's Tapukara plant to 1,80,000 units annually, to accomodate production of it's premium hatchback offering (from 1,20,000 units annually earlier). The company gets ready to bring in the next-generation Honda Accord in the first half of 2016-17. Quote:
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I totally agree with you sir. I mirror your sentiments. But the "discrimination" you speak of is not the exact sentiment from the manufacturer's side, IMHO. Actually they are helpless. They have to live with our country's tax regime and overall environment which is, believe me, very hard for these guys to cope with. Please refer JoseVijays post number 464, just about 5 posts or so behind which should put things into perspective very aptly, I think. In India we love to bargain with just about everyone and in just about every purchase and are very happy and content to have made a good "bargain" and got something of 100% value at say 80% price without thinking about where the genuineness of the remaining 20% value is going to come from. The vendors pocket? Is everything a charity? So the only logical option left for a seller is to cut his costs somewhere, and that costs us the quality. But ah, we're still so content in the excellent "bargain" we made. Right? | |
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| ![]() Honda has been on a roll since the last 2 years. In 2013 it was all about Amaze and last year it was all about new City. Since then, Honda has come a long way. While its sales have more than doubled in the past 2 years, on and off it has been trading position with Mahindra for that 3rd spot in monthly car sales. With Jazz launching next month, it may take that 3rd position from Mahindra with a small cushion of additional sales. To cement its position, Honda has been scouting for land to start a new plant and increase its production capacity. As reported by Rushlane, Honda will sign new plant agreement with Gujarat in the next one month. The new plant will come up at Vithalapur and is expected to see investments to the tune of INR 4,000 crores which will be in a phased manner. The first phase will see an initial investment of INR 2,200-2,500 crores, while the remaining will follow in second phase. The upcoming plant will have capacity of 1 to 1.25 lakh units per annum. Honda India's current capacity stands at 240,000 units per annum – 120,000 units each from their two existing plants, one in Greater Noida and one in Tapukara. The capacity of Tapukara plant will be increased to 180,000 by mid 2016. Increased capacity of Tapukara plant and new plant in Gujarat will increase total capacity to 4,00,000 - 425,000 units per annum. Last edited by damager21 : 30th June 2015 at 20:56. |
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| ![]() Now that Honda has moved downmarket let is hope they maintain the level of service. As reported elsewhere I found the Gurgaon dealer service quite a way behind what I have seen in Kanpur and Gwalior. |
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| ![]() Honda as part of its lean manufacturing protocol should consider producing Mobilio, Amaze and Brio from G-Noida facility and Jazz and City from Tapukara. Also, there are other introductions pending for the Indian market, it will be good to have product segregation based on platform to help manage systems better. In addition to this, off late there have been after sales issues (essentially around design of certain components in diesel engine and poor quality), if the target is to cross 3,00,000 mark in coming 2 years, it is all the more important for Honda to maintain public perception about their cars as once they loose out on quality, it is very difficult to regain consumer confidence. Several of my friends who are Honda fans and have replaced "Honda" with a "Honda" 3 times in a row are complaining about the product quality and material use. Cheers. |
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Team-BHP Support ![]() | ![]() Honda is looking to substantially increase exports from India in the years to come. The Japanese carmaker exported automobile components worth Rs. 420 crores in 2013-14, 722 crores in 2014-15 and is now targeting Rs. 1,100 crores in the current fiscal. This will be achieved by adding more export destinations to its existing list. Click here to join the conversation. |
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| ![]() Honda will be happy with this. 3 of their main models occupy 8,9 and 10th position in the September 2015 sales. Amaze makes a good return, but seems to fluctuate on a monthly basis Guess that the actual sales are lesser and hence the dispatches increase once in 2-3 months once the inventory is cleared. ![]() Source: ETAuto |
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