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Old 18th April 2021, 23:38   #721
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I dont think there is any reason to abandon Honda Cars in India. Theyre trying to figure out their operational issues by consolidating production at one place rather than 2 places. In 2021 were expecting the City Hybrid which will zoom in sales mind you as it is expected to provide 27 kmpl. Later 2021 we are expecting HRV Hybrid at a price tag similar to the Creta but might go slightly above as it will be a hybrid as well. I personally own 2 cars right now and am eagerly waiting for both the above mentioned cars to replace one of mine or to just add a car. If the Honda E comes im getting it. Its highly desirable and it has perfect range for city driving and its extremely cute and attractive, i hope it comes to India.

I would never buy a Hyundai Creta or a Kia. They have 2 star safety rating and are junk unsafe boxes. Having owned multiple generations of the City and also having test driven the latest City, its a stellar car and i cant wait to get some vitamin M and change one of my cars for it. Im keenly watching the HRV launch because if that comes then i would prefer that as its easier to take rough roads which i do almost every day.

If someone were to still ask me today i would recommend a Honda Jazz VX CVT over the latest gen i20 or equivalent car, i would recommend a City over the entire competitors and also in competition to Creta / Seltos. The peace of mind you get and the quality and safety you get is worth more than the features of Hyundai / Kia and ive owned these cars so im aware how expensive theyre to maintain them (just clarifying before someone pounces on that)

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Old 19th April 2021, 02:09   #722
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Honda wont exit.
The problem is, every manufacturer wants to be Maruti and capture the mass market.
The result is, brands like Ford, Toyota, Honda are getting diluted & their cars are losing their old charm.
Ford and Honda are at-least trying to make mass market cars, whereas Toyota is shameless enough to sell Maruti cars by re-badging!

The only company who mastered this art aptly, is Hyundai.

At-least, I respect Skoda/Volkswagen, Tata, Mahindra that they are not going down this way until now.

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Old 19th April 2021, 02:54   #723
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I would never buy a Hyundai Creta or a Kia. They have 2 star safety rating
Echo that. After the dismal performance of seltos in GNCAP, I would stay away from a Hyundai/Kia. But looking at the way global players are exiting or are reduced to rebadging Maruti products ( yes TOYOTA, am talking about you), am afraid we will be left with only those two players in a few years

Am more than satisfied having chosen the Jazz cvt over competition (back in 2019) but 5 years down the line wonder what I would upgrade to. HRV around creta pricing would have been great but I have been hearing about it from my SA since 2 years without any actual development from Hondaís end. Hope they get their act right and bring in some of the global products soon, else its curtains soon going by their current sales figures.
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I started this thread a decade ago, and it is extremely surprising that Honda still hasn't found its way . In fact, they've made even more mistakes with slipping quality standards (4th-gen City), launching overpriced economy cars (Mobilio), discontinuing the cars that best represent what brand Honda stands for (Civic, Accord, CR-V), still not having a good premium crossover in the 15 - 20 lakh segment...the list goes on.

Quite sad to see where Honda India is today.
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Old 19th April 2021, 08:57   #725
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As an owner of a 1993 Prelude when in the US, followed by the 2014 City here in India, it saddens me to see where Honda is headed.

The HRV can't come soon enough. It has the potential to redo for Honda what the Seltos did for Kia.
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I would never buy a Hyundai Creta or a Kia. They have 2 star safety rating and are junk unsafe boxes.
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The peace of mind you get and the quality and safety you get is worth more than the features of Hyundai / Kia and ive owned these cars so im aware how expensive theyre to maintain them (just clarifying before someone pounces on that)
3 stars. Seltos barely managed three stars.

Another company that has only received a maximum 3-star rating in India is Honda. Only the Mobilio was crash tested from the Honda India portfolio.

Any other crash tests for other Honda models found online are not relevant to the Indian market.
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3 stars. Seltos barely managed three stars.

Another company that has only received a maximum 3-star rating in India is Honda. Only the Mobilio was crash tested from the Honda India portfolio.
The rating is still better than seltos not just in points, but primarily the bodyshell rating was Stable. A 3* car with stable bodyshell is better than one with unstable bodyshell isn’t it?

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Even amaze built in india and sold in SA scored a 4 star and I find it hard to believe honda would go for a different standard for Indian model compared to even South African counterpart(the way kia did for seltos). Mind you this is a 3rd world country economy product, not a global product like Seltos.

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I started this thread a decade ago, and it is extremely surprising that Honda still hasn't found its way . In fact, they've made even more mistakes with slipping quality standards (4th-gen City), launching overpriced economy cars (Mobilio), discontinuing the cars that best represent what brand Honda stands for (Civic, Accord, CR-V), still not having a good premium crossover in the 15 - 20 lakh segment...the list goes on.

Quite sad to see where Honda India is today.
They need to have a good hatch at OTR from 5.5 L to 8L and a good SUV. HRV(having driven in US) may not do the trick, it is too cramped interior space is not going to compete with Nexons, Vitara Breeza and Hyundai twins.

If they want to be India, they need this. Honda city is a status symbol 15 years ago, it no longer enjoys that status now. Only Honda Fans are buying them and there are so many cheaper and better options.
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The rating is still better than seltos not just in points, but primarily the bodyshell rating was Stable. A 3* car with stable bodyshell is better than one with unstable bodyshell isnít it?
Agreed. 3 star with a stable body shell is the best that Honda has achieved. Is that better than Kia? Definitely. Is it any good? I'd rather have 4 or 5, thank you.

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Even amaze built in india and sold in SA scored a 4 star and I find it hard to believe honda
'Belief' is the keyword IMHO. The same Honda that gave us the 3 star Mobilio had the cladded Mobilio (BR-V) with 5-star rating in South Asian markets. Did the company indulge in double standards? May or may not be. We don't know for sure.

With the Mobilio discontinued - the entire Honda lineup is untested here. It is misleading IMHO to call it anything but that! Honda India, if serious about the market and the cars are actually safe - they are always welcome to get their products tested (like TATA & Mahindra does!). This could also boost their image and help with the falling sales.
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Is that better than Kia? Definitely.
Thanks. That was the point of my post. I rest my case

What you or I personally prefer is a whole different topic. We have a whole thread around this topic where bhpians have voiced their preference regarding safety ratings.Link (GNCAP: So, would you use an unrated / poorly rated car as a city driver only?)

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Honda Will Go Fully Electric For All Its Market By 2040:


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Honda’s electrification road map, 40 percent of North American and China sales will be purely electric (or powered by hydrogen) by 2030, 80 percent by 2035, and 100 percent by 2040. Meanwhile, Japan will walk on a slightly different beat with EV/FCV reaching 20 percent of total by 2030, 80 percent by 2035, and 100 percent by 2040.

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Honda Will Go Fully Electric For All Its Market By 2040:
Thatís 20 years away. The way they are going, globally, thereís no guarantee they will survive for another 20 years.
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Old 25th April 2021, 16:28   #733
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Thatís 20 years away. The way they are going, globally, thereís no guarantee they will survive for another 20 years.
Thats a hilarious observation but one which I completely agree with.

They are out of Russia, USA the main product was Accord but now is the CRV which is being challenged by other compact off roaders and even VW ID 4 is targeting them.

In India they have literally made themselves bare bones except City / Amaze / WRV / Jazz (last 3 products are like on the last leg and due for a change). They need to sort themselves out and go back to launching only their global products in the entire world rather than localising and going for cheap platforms like the Amaze (even though the current Amaze is a decent product).

I have said this before and saying it again, the line up: Amaze, Jazz, City, HRV, CRV, Accord; should be the line up for India along with Honda E EV to show the EV intent. Let's hope some one from Honda India is reading and listening.
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Honda has trademarked the name ‘Elevate’ in India.

Could it to be used for the brand’s upcoming 7-seater SUV N7X ?


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Honda desperately needs a successful model, hope we get a diesel CVT or AT from the CRV.
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