[Furebo]

Originally Posted by TheARUN

Poor guy near my house, bought a 'new' SWIFT last week and it has already become out-dated now!

My sympathies, if he was an unsuspecting customer.

Originally Posted by TheARUN

Wonder what all those Customers must be thinking.

But many people I know of purchased the old swift on purpose as they found it iconic. Beat that!

Originally Posted by TheARUN

I think SUZUKI like YAMAHA should have pulled the R15 out of showrooms much before the launch of the new one

They did stop the production. The sales made were only of the existing stock. Check previous month sales figures.

[Crazy4.Cars]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

@ All: Below is the qoute i received from Popular, Chennai.

Swift ZDi-
Ex- showroom: 6,48,384.
Insurance: 18,504.
Registration, Road Tax & Basic Accesories: 81,074.
On Road: 7,47,962.

Are the insurance and on road figures ok? How much is the exact road tax for chennai? Seems inflated, specially since the life tax and registration figures qouted for Mahindra Verito is 7k less (Forget basic accessories in swift. It would just be some free mudflap and carpets)!

Okay, please read through the Insurance article in the forum you will get lot of ideas.

please read through my ownership thread, you'll know how is saved 7.5k on insurance when compared to maruti insurance.

Okay remember one major point in insurance, If you buy Maruti insurance underwriten by Royal Sundaram, and if you buy Royal Sundaram Insurance directly from their online website the difference is as follows.

- Maruti Insurance Cashless claims are not rejected irrespective of whatever is the labour charge on the claim amount. For example if you make a claim and the bill is 20k out of which labour is 8k, the amount is taken care fully by MSIL (Since they have some adjustment with the insurance underwriter)

- If you have brought the insurance directly from Insurance companies which have cashless option at most maruti garages like take royal sundaram online for example, if your claim amount is 20k with 8k labour charges, these clever insurance guys have a clause in their policy document saying only chaepest labour garage work amount is santioned, thus he will say if you get this job done outside, the labour charge is only 4k, and they will say you to bear the extra 4k incase you wish the car is taken care at the MSIL dealership.

Note : The above fact is confirmed by the Customer care and SA of royal sundaram when i purchased their policy. They confirmed this fact when i pushed them a lot to explain the difference between the policy when a customer buys directly from them and when a customer buys a maruti insurance.

Remember one more thing these insurance companies like Bajaj A or HDFC ERGO, they will not agree to this fact, no matter how much you ask them, once it is time to make a claim, they will open the clause from the insurance document and keep it in front of your eyes.

[Mr_Bean]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

@ All: Below is the qoute i received from Popular, Chennai.

Swift ZDi-
Ex- showroom: 6,48,384.
Insurance: 18,504.
Registration, Road Tax & Basic Accesories: 81,074.
On Road: 7,47,962.

Are the insurance and on road figures ok? How much is the exact road tax for chennai? Seems inflated, specially since the life tax and registration figures qouted for Mahindra Verito is 7k less (Forget basic accessories in swift. It would just be some free mudflap and carpets)!

Mahindra Verito. (Zulaikha, Chennai) (Had enquired the same for a friend same day!)
Ex- showroom: 6,77,042.
Insurance: 20,017.
Registration, Road Tax & Basic Accesories: 74,024.
On Road: 7,47,962.

For verito, you total doesn't tally, it comes to 7,71,082.

For the swift, under Registration, Road Tax & Basic Accesories,
1.) Handling charges - 5k (as per popular motors)
2.) Registration - Actual cost (1.2k) + Agent (1.8K) = 3k
3.) 3rd year warranty - Do check the cost. 4.5?
4.) road tax (10%)- 64,838/- rupees + another tax (around 1.5K)
5.) Mudflaps.. - 1.2k
6.) Temporary registration - ?? Why?

Honestly they don't like asking all these, Selva Kumar (Team Lead) of popular motors never turned up after all these.

[arindambasu13]

Originally Posted by iFuel

i searched the forum and my apologies as I am a bit new to the search function, however i did not find this said 'team member's VDi ownership report anywhere, can you please guide me to that thread

Originally Posted by swiftnfurious

The thread might have been moved into assembly section. So we will not be able to see it till the mod team approves it and bumps it into ownership thread.

unfortunately, the thread seems to have been moved. The owner was from Goa, and had taken delivery of a White Swift VDi. I myself am not able to locate the thread now. But it was originally posted in the New ownership review section.

By the way, I booked a white swift VDi today. On road price is Rs.6.81 lakhs Delivery sometime in Jan- early Feb, which suits me fine, no real hurry to get the new car. SOmething awsome to look forward to in the new year.

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Was going through OVERDRIVE magazine's mega comparison test- (Petrols)

Maruti Swift v/s VW Polo 1.6 v/s Hyundai i20 v/s Fiat Punto v/s Skoda Fabia v/s Toyota Liva v/s Ford Figo.

They have the following to say about the Swift P- "Has the best performance, best efficiency, best refinement and most revvy charecter. This is a jewel of a motor. "

Swift is the winner of the comparo. However, i wish Jazz was included in the test as well. New prices wouldn't have been announced at the time of the test!

Originally Posted by Furebo

My sympathies, if he was an unsuspecting customer.

Maruti gave ads for the new Swift well in advance. If he bought it one week ago, I doubt he would have been aware of it!

Originally Posted by Crazy4.Cars

please read through my ownership thread, you'll know how is saved 7.5k on insurance when compared to maruti insurance.

Thanks. Point noted!

Originally Posted by Mr_Bean

For verito, you total doesn't tally, it comes to 7,71,082.

Honestly they don't like asking all these, Selva Kumar (Team Lead) of popular motors never turned up after all these.

Lol! Thats the qoute given in print by Mahindra dealership. Never cross-checked because i am not looking at the car.

Thanks for the breakup. Looks like some items can be knocked off, atleast if i buy the car in kerala.

[nurni76]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Was going through OVERDRIVE magazine's mega comparison test- (Petrols)

Maruti Swift v/s VW Polo 1.6 v/s Hyundai i20 v/s Fiat Punto v/s Skoda Fabia v/s Toyota Liva v/s Ford Figo.

They have the following to say about the Swift P- "Has the best performance, best efficiency, best refinement and most revvy charecter. This is a jewel of a motor. "

Swift is the winner of the comparo. However, i wish Jazz was included in the test as well. New prices wouldn't have been announced at the time of the test!

Yes I saw the episode on TV on CNBC Tv18. 7 cars compared and Jazz not included was a surprise. The other surprise was that Liva was second best compared to cars like Polo 1.6, Figo and i20. Swift was clearly the winner with Sirish saying the one car he would like to take home was the ANSS. But I guess inclusion of Jazz may have made difference to the top 2.

[mayank10]

Originally Posted by nurni76

Yes I saw the episode on TV on CNBC Tv18. 7 cars compared and Jazz not included was a surprise. The other surprise was that Liva was second best compared to cars like Polo 1.6, Figo and i20. Swift was clearly the winner with Sirish saying the one car he would like to take home was the ANSS. But I guess inclusion of Jazz may have made difference to the top 2.

Well, felt great after watching the conclusion part. The only concern they mentioned about Liva was related to its interior design, which in never affects the performance of the car. Liva performed exceedingly well in the competition and lived up to the T name.

Undoubtedly, Swift has and will be the best Hatch in India. The cult of the car!
But Toyota has done a good job. The car is great if you look at the performance, space and handling.

[pgsagar]

Originally Posted by aseem

O/T how many people can differenciate between a Vista and an Indica in first glance in traffic or even care too?

Maybe its a fact (I dunno, dont care) that Tata Indica Vista is not a cab....

However there are millions of folks out there who wont buy a Tata precisely for the Taxi image. Now thats a fact too.

Yes, people may not differentiate between Vista and a regular Indica. But you are a teambhpian and a senior one at that. It shouldn't be a problem for you to tell 'em apart. But of course! You don't care ( I sense a tinge of arrogance here ). Because it's Tata. Urgh! Cheap brand! Or, can we say bloody Indian brand? Innova? No problem. So what if it's a taxi. It's after all a Toyota. The problem is more with mindset of certain "know-alls" in this country than with Tata cars themselves.

By the way, I never owned a Tata car. I own a Lancer and an A-Star. And an Activa and a Honda CBX750. All Japanese. I do not endorse Tata cars either. But then I do not ridicule them either. They are ttrying to get a toe-hold in automotive industry. Ok, you won't buy their products and won't encourage them. that's ok. It's your personal wish. But at least do not try to rub their noses into the dirt either.

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Guys,

The overdrive article has got me thinking. Do i need the ZDi version paying 80k+ more than the petrol version.

I calculated our car usage for the past 10 years and it averages to just around 630kms per month. However, this will go up significantly if a diesel comes into the picture. I suspect it will run around 1000 - 1200 kms per month. The swift diesel being a fun drive complicates things even more.

Just for the case of Swift ZXi and ZDi, what would be the average running required to justify the purchase of an ZDi over ZXi?

Originally Posted by nurni76

Yes I saw the episode on TV on CNBC Tv18. 7 cars compared and Jazz not included was a surprise.

New Jazz prices would not have been announced at the time! Launch happened only on 18th, IFRC.

Although Swift was launched on 17th, car was made available to the media a week back.

Originally Posted by mayank10

Liva performed exceedingly well in the competition and lived up to the T name.

Congrats on the new car mayank10!

[aseem]

Originally Posted by pgsagar

Yes, people may not differentiate between Vista and a regular Indica. But you are a teambhpian and a senior one at that. It shouldn't be a problem for you to tell 'em apart. But of course! You don't care ( I sense a tinge of arrogance here ). Because it's Tata. Urgh! Cheap brand! Or, can we say bloody Indian brand? Innova? No problem. So what if it's a taxi. It's after all a Toyota. The problem is more with mindset of certain "know-alls" in this country than with Tata cars themselves.

By the way, I never owned a Tata car. I own a Lancer and an A-Star. And an Activa and a Honda CBX750. All Japanese. I do not endorse Tata cars either. But then I do not ridicule them either. They are ttrying to get a toe-hold in automotive industry. Ok, you won't buy their products and won't encourage them. that's ok. It's your personal wish. But at least do not try to rub their noses into the dirt either.

Stating an opinion that most folks share about a product doesnt mean that I am ignorant.

Any person bhpian or otherwise would be hardpressed to notice subtle differences between Vista and Indica V3 (or whatever the latest V is)...

The same is true for new Swift and old gen Swift and I have stated the same in this thread. Having said that, being similar to old Swift (iconic/cult status) car in India is not such a bad thing, but being a similar car to Indica, doesnt envoke same feelings or passions.

Additionaly, Innova is miles apart in refinement, for that matter even Qualis was as opposed to Tata Sumo or Indica, the cars that I have extensively traveled in and was refering too. Just by steping inside a Sumo with my eyes closed I could tell it was not Qualis, the whole damn car rattled and had vibrations. Its that image that Tata needs to shed. Tata needs to come a long way to convince buyers like me that their products carry that same level of refinement and peace of mind that a consumer demands.... They are making steps in that direction, and I appreciate it. However at the same time, the current product line-up just doesnt cut it!

Lastly, please accept my opinions and dont make it personal (implying I am arrogant). I am not directing or asking you to agree wiht my opinions, I am merely stating them....

Cheers Mate!

[avishar]

Everytime i log into Indian Car scene i would wish this thread is closed,because that would mean the official review is up,but alas!

[arindambasu13]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Guys,

I calculated our car usage for the past 10 years and it averages to just around 630kms per month. However, this will go up significantly if a diesel comes into the picture. I suspect it will run around 1000 - 1200 kms per month. The swift diesel being a fun drive complicates things even more.

Just for the case of Swift ZXi and ZDi, what would be the average running required to justify the purchase of an ZDi over ZXi?

@ Crazy Driver:

Guess what- I am in the same dilemma for the past many days.

Yesterday, I went to the showroom with checkbook in hand. And did a test drive of the diesel. Its a very good car no doubt about that, but the turbo lag under 2000 RPM is very evident. In fact, I was looking at the tacho al the while during the test drive waiting for the power to kick in, though when it did, it was great.

Now, my monthly running is exactly 1000 kms, plus or minus another 150-200. With that figure in mind, and from the calculations that I did, my breack even point for the Rs.1.1 lakh extra (VDi v. VXi) that I pay for the diesel, would be about 50,000 kms, or maybe even slightly more. by which time, I would be in my fifth year of ownership, typically the time when I would probably be looking to upgrade to the next segment.

I went ahead the booked the VDi, but very clearly told the sales person that I may change my booking to a VXi a month or two down the line. I did the booking because that ways, if I do end up taking delivery of the diesel, I would be in the waiting line from yesterday.

The VVT is a cracker of an engine, and if youre a fan of free revving petrols, look no further. The feeling of refinement and smoothness, coupled with the nice steering and handling, will make the K12 a joy to drive. I am still in two minds about my choice, and yes, there is still every possibility that I would instead go for the petrol. The reviews coming in from every quarter only strengthen my belief that its a gem of an engine (I did see the Overdrive show yesterday too).

Your current monthly running definitely does not warrant a diesel. Even if you run about 1000 kms a month, its still a tough call (from the financial perspective), just like the situation I am facing. In my case, additionally, I am a petrol lover (a feeling reinforced after I drove the diesel yesterday, which, though excellent in its own way, just did not give me that X factor that I found when driving petrol Swifts), and that complicates things even more. Also, I found a fair amount of engine noise, which maybe because I am used to driving inherently smoother petrol engines. I am somehow getting the feeling that I should quit worrying about petrol prices, and go with my heart. Lets see what I finally end up doing.

Good luck with your decision

[nurni76]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Guys,

New Jazz prices would not have been announced at the time! Launch happened only on 18th, IFRC.

Although Swift was launched on 17th, car was made available to the media a week back.

Congrats on the new car mayank10!

Hi it's true Jazz launched on 18th, but that should not have been a criterion. In fact if price was a factor, Polo 1.6 should not have been in the race. I guess Jazz should have very much been there, but I guess they wanted a 7 car shoot out as they did it in North east (7 states). But why leave out Jazz??

Go for the Zxi. If you love Free revving engines, you will love this K series. I have not driven the VVT, but the old K series was a lovely engine & as per reviews the new one is a gem and has taken refinements to a level even better than before. The biggest advantage being you will get the delivery faster

[MutantX]

Guys, my FIL wants to buy the SWIFT but unfortunately we were unable to locate one dealer in chennai who had the TD Vehicle for the petrol version. Could anyone confirm if they could help us locate a dealer for SWIFT TD (petrol version will be fine).

[arun_josie]

Originally Posted by arindambasu13

@ Crazy Driver:

Guess what- I am in the same dilemma for the past many days.

Yesterday, I went to the showroom with checkbook in hand. And did a test drive of the diesel. Its a very good car no doubt about that, but the turbo lag under 2000 RPM is very evident. In fact, I was looking at the tacho al the while during the test drive waiting for the power to kick in, though when it did, it was great.

Now, my monthly running is exactly 1000 kms, plus or minus another 150-200. With that figure in mind, and from the calculations that I did, my breack even point for the Rs.1.1 lakh extra (VDi v. VXi) that I pay for the diesel, would be about 50,000 kms, or maybe even slightly more. by which time, I would be in my fifth year of ownership, typically the time when I would probably be looking to upgrade to the next segment.

I went ahead the booked the VDi, but very clearly told the sales person that I may change my booking to a VXi a month or two down the line. I did the booking because that ways, if I do end up taking delivery of the diesel, I would be in the waiting line from yesterday.

The VVT is a cracker of an engine, and if youre a fan of free revving petrols, look no further. The feeling of refinement and smoothness, coupled with the nice steering and handling, will make the K12 a joy to drive. I am still in two minds about my choice, and yes, there is still every possibility that I would instead go for the petrol. The reviews coming in from every quarter only strengthen my belief that its a gem of an engine (I did see the Overdrive show yesterday too).

In my case, additionally, I am a petrol lover (a feeling reinforced after I drove the diesel yesterday, which, though excellent in its own way, just did not give me that X factor that I found when driving petrol Swifts), and that complicates things even more. Also, I found a fair amount of engine noise, which maybe because I am used to driving inherently smoother petrol engines. I am somehow getting the feeling that I should quit worrying about petrol prices, and go with my heart. Lets see what I finally end up doing.

Good luck with your decision

IMO, at times I feel that we get too much invloved in this calculation of breakeven point and tend to miss the fun part of driving.

I would say, if you love only petrol engine and you decide to go for it, then there is no need to think of the breakeven point. If your heart says petrol and you decide to go for diesel then you are always going to think of the breakeven point, mostly whenever there is a increase/decrease in the petrol/diesel prices and you will keep on calculating thus missing the fun part of driving.

If you like going on long drives, then a diesel engine is the right one for you because petrol will definetley stop you from long drives. As mentioned in one of my earlier post, I love long drives but wouldn't feel like going on one because I had a petrol car and the average usage then was 1000Km/month. Now after moving to diesel, I have the freedom for long drives without feeling a big pinch in my pocket and the average usage has jumped to 2000+Kms/month. In the end, MY monthly fuel expense remains the same as the car usage has increased but I enjoy my long drives.