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Old 15th March 2020, 21:43   #31
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Out of curiosity, how did you manage to pay the London congestion charge with a "phoren" 9 character number plate?
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Till local registration is complete one is permitted to drive to and from MOT and IVA test centres as well as garages to carry out works relating to conformity. Till then as foreign numbers won't register on ANPR cameras consider the freedom to pass through toll roads temporary. CC doesn't apply on weekends.
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Ah! This is pure gold! Coming back to the thread that I started originally and finding out that someone else has actually managed to do it!

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Till local registration is complete one is permitted to drive to and from MOT and IVA test centres as well as garages to carry out works relating to conformity. Till then as foreign numbers won't register on ANPR cameras consider the freedom to pass through toll roads temporary. CC doesn't apply on weekends.
Many congratulations Arbind! Would love to know each step in detail - I hope to do something like this in the future. Given that I am based in the UK now and own a Hexa back home, why not? [I'm still]

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Hi Sugam,
Sorry to dig up a post that is so old. I am very curious to know, what you ended up doing? Did you take the Indica, or use the local bus, or buy a cycle/bike/car in Mauritius. Post some pics of your ride on the island.
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Hey GG, well coming to think of it now, taking the Indica idea was on arrival. Guess I was way to immature in my mind back then.

So, yes I used the local buses for a while. But the place where I lived didn't have direct connectivity to my hospital. So I needed a car. The first one I bought was an Open Roof VW Polo - Used. (Not a convertible, but an open roof.) Don't have the actual pictures of the car, but here's something from the internet. Had the same one in red. This one drove good for 8-10 months and then started having problems - leaking roof and kaput console. The replacement console had to be sourced from Germany and was pretty expensive. Sold it to a local enthusiast at almost the same price I bought it and went on to buy a trusty used Nissan Sunny - beautiful ride, kept it for a couple of years before selling it since I was moving to the UK.

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UK registration for the Endeavour from DVLA received earlier this week with number plates from Ford on Friday 3rd April…at last! Had decided to import the SUV to England in May 2019. After getting a fair grasp of the procedure required for its export I flew from London to Bhubaneswar, Odisha to start the process. Thought mistakenly it could be completed within four weeks as I had prior appointments in L.A.

With public holidays and unforeseen delays in between, I had to fly out from India to the U.S. for a week, returning 3 weeks ahead of the Endeavour being transported out of Odisha on a flatbed for Port Customs Clearance. The following steps were taken to successfully export the car out of India. Note: my experience is limited to a Transfer of Residence basis and interaction with the RTO office in Bhubaneswar as well as HMRC in England.

• Engage a freight-forwarder with its established counterpart in the destination port of embarkation depending on which Shipping Agent you are comfortable working with. Nobody I spoke to could provide a definitive list of tasks needed to be completed before the vehicle could be loaded onto the ship. It took me four months to narrow it down to a UK firm who decided to act as the Destination Agent (DA) to its Indian counterpart.

• Having confirmed my flight ticket from London Heathrow I was advised RTO offices in Odisha were experiencing a four-week backlog as govt ruled no Agents/middlemen were permitted to engage their services and instead, clients are to deal with RTO officers directly. I won’t go into granular details on here however am happy to share these directly with anyone in the process of moving to the UK with a vehicle owned by them for at least six months prior to travel.

• You do not need to obtain a transfer of residence [ToR] if you are willing to pay import duty on the vehicle of 10% of its market value plus shipping and insurance costs in addition to 20% VAT of total cost (market value + shipping + insurance) upon arrival in the UK. The Indian car insurance renewal quotation letter is what was relied on for its value in my case. It is also useful in illustrating owner’s use and possession of the vehicle prior to exporting. With its exemption it just about made financial sense. Personal opinion: if you’re planning to return to India in the not too distant future you need to ask yourself “is it worth the hassle and expense”. Plus the price of vehicle would need to be substantive enough to make the approximate cost of INR 5 lacs to bring it over viable. Other motivator includes the availability of a similar model variant for purpose of parts, service and repairs which provide immeasurable peace of mind. My vehicle is the only full sized 7 seater 4x4 Endeavour in the UK…its uniqueness is a separate value proposition which works if the move is permanent. Prior to exporting the SUV, I had met with the local UK main dealer Service Centre management who welcomed my intentions and have been incredibly helpful in ensuring my needs were met during vehicle approvals which is expanded on further below.

• Make sure every single item of available document is shared with all parties. You will require most if not all items listed below for the DA, HMRC, Indian Shipping Agent, Destination freight-forwarder;

1. Vehicle Brochure (though not mandatory is helpful for reference material e.g. dimensions etc) with images of the car

2. RC – Registration Document and Smartcard

3. Airline Tickets – has to match person in whose name/s Transfer of Residence is to be applied.

4. PUC – Valid Pollution Certificate

5. Valid Insurance Certificate. If this has run out before application of RC cancellation you will need to renew despite having no need for it as soon as vehicle RC is cancelled which also applies to the PUC.

6. Sales Invoice

7. ID – passport, driving licence

8. Utility Bills (in our case Indian and British) – showing name address matching rest of docs. Mobile, Electricity, Landline

9. Residence (owned or rented) Property address proof (India/UK)


Once all parties were satisfied relevant documents were in order, I had the confidence to board the plane for India on 17th September 2019 albeit with a niggling feeling I would face inertia amidst the backlog gradually building up at the RTO.

Having arrived at Bhubaneswar within the same week I received a call from my local Indian Ford dealership asking if I wished to book the Endeavour in for a service on Saturday. I thought why not…after all it had been a year even though low mileage (total 18k km)…so I drove the Endy to the Ford garage on Saturday and parked it on their forecourt. To everybody’s surprise, their driver was unable to start it as at that precise moment (post diagnostic) the electronic junction box had burnt out and had to be replaced! Ten days later at a cost in excess of INR 50k I was able to collect it. Thank goodness I had taken out the extended warranty…that too at the behest of a persistent staff member at Ford who contacted me via WhatsApp with one day for the existing warranty to expire. I had transferred INR 35k to Ford while I was in England so had nothing to pay in this instance beyond the 9k for the service.

The same day I drove straight to a PUC centre (these too were scarce since the local govt had suspended (rightly so) non-approved test centres. I was battling against time. Note: there are two time sensitive issues, one is twelve months from the time you left India, this being the time matching airline tickets you would have submitted during your application to HMRC for ToR duty/tax exemption. The other relates to your airline ticket out of India. Neither the airline ticket itself nor the boarding pass proves that you actually boarded the aircraft. Verification needs to be obtained from the airline itself. They will issue a Departure Certificate which validates you were on that plane. Your shipping agent can obtain this for you which they then submit to Customs along with the original RC cancellation certificate stamped and signed by the officer concerned on RTO letterhead.

Application for RC cancellation was made with a self-declaration of why I was taking the vehicle out of the country along with copy of valid Insurance Cert, PUC, surrender of Original RC document and smartcard and self attested copies of driving licence and passport after they see the original IDs. They genuinely couldn’t understand why anyone would want to take a car from India to the West. Having established it was an item of personal belonging the problem we faced was an administrative technicality. This caused a further week delay which was a hopeless situation. According to the rule book RTO relies on, it asks that I furnish them with proof that the vehicle has already been shipped outside of India before they could cancel the registration. I pointed out this would be impossible since Customs officials had made it abundantly clear they would not permit boarding of the container in which the vehicle was to be shipped onto the vessel without the RC first being cancelled. I directed their attention to a preceding ruling which mandates the original RTO to cancel said RC. I was told the latter superseded its previous ruling. It was a matter of interpretation as well as the RTO being accountable for cancelling registration on just grounds. They are accustomed to vehicle Transfers. Cancellations usually applied in the case of accidental write-offs. Discretion also lies with the senior RTO officer as I still needed to convince the dept I was genuinely exporting the Endeavour. So as requested, I asked the shipping agent to forward all documentation to the RTO officer including screenshots of payment transactions made to the shipping agent on account and correspondence with destination freight-forwarder. I had ample documentary evidence of my intentions. Eventually it was agreed and with merely a couple days ahead of the Endeavour’s insurance expiring, the RC was cancelled with certificate confirming the same which I couriered immediately to the shipping agent.

By this time everything was ready for the vehicle to be shipped however the UK agent advised avoidance of the container’s arrival in England between 18th of December 2019 to the 1st of January 2020 due to Xmas holidays. Demurrage charges could be as high as USD 150 per day. So I flew to Los Angels on the 25th of Oct to keep my prior appointments and returned to India on November 3rd. As I was now unable to drive the Endeavour, I was very fortunate to have been provided with a brand new Mercedes GLE for as long as I remained in India by a friend who was bemused at my efforts to bring the Endy to England…while he himself relied on his other ride, an old Fortuner. Respect for having faith in me...quite a humbling experience.

November 18th…staff from the shipping agent reached Bhubaneswar with the transporter. Having taken pictures with a vehicle condition report they loaded the Endy onto the flatbed and left.

By 27th November the vehicle was still in a container at Kolkata docks waiting to be lifted onto the ship. I decided to fly back to England the same day as I was satisfied knowing the Endeavour had been cleared by Customs and there was nothing left for me to do. Just as well, having arrived back home I learnt the 20ft container carrying the Endy boarded the ship on the 30th of November.

I felt like a kid…waiting for my self-gifted present to arrive on British shores. The wait was gruelling. I kept abreast of the maritime map which charts movement of sea-going vessels by the minute, while they’re within reach of a signal. Millimeter by millimeter. In the interim I must have (re)watched numerous Endeavour reviews on YouTube including what dashcam to get and how to update Ford’s sync 2 to include UK maps for satellite navigation. The day finally arrived…15th of January 2020. The ship had moored at Felixstow. Three days later I received confirmation it had cleared customs awaiting transportation to my chosen address. I had nominated my local Ford main dealer’s Service Centre which focused on Rangers with its own MOT testing bay for larger vehicles. This was the best decision I had made. Having kept the staff regularly updated on the Endeavour’s ETA, when it was delivered on the 20th of January and signed for by Ford, it was extremely dusty inside and out, even missing passenger’s side floor mat which the Ford dealership were kind enough to replace complimentary with a Wildtrack black luxury carpet version they had in stock. Once it was jump-started, I drove it across the road to have it refuelled since it was showing “0km to Empty” a pre-requisite before loading it onto the container and disconnecting the terminals from the battery.

Once back in the workshop it went straight on the ramp for its MOT which it passed. I had earlier in the day arranged fully comprehensive insurance based on the chassis number since I had yet to begin the process of obtaining GB number plates once the registration process was complete. Although the MOT certificate displays mileage in kilometres, at its anniversary the next certificate will show miles as measurements can be changed in the settings menu which I realised later. It was handed over to me after it had been thoroughly washed and vacuumed. This was the first time I took it on the longer North Circular ring road in East London to charge the battery en-route to its final destination….for now.

The next day I contacted DVSA to book the Endeavour for its Individual Vehicle Approval. This certificate is necessary in order to obtain UK registration from DVLA. Had I known precise date of arrival I could have pre-booked this as I found out there was a 2-4 weeks waiting time. In hindsight I could have rescheduled the booking without charge with minimum three days notice.

26th February 2020. IVA testing at DVSA in Southampton. I booked a hotel nearby to arrive the evening before so I didn’t miss the noon appointment. Before the booking I had confirmed with DVSA technical dept that it was acceptable not to change the kilometre dial as long as it had a digital speedometer showing mph. The 3.2 Titanium also has rear fog lights so these were items I didn’t need to upgrade. The application process for the IVA was a bit more in depth including piston firing sequence, horse power @ x RPMs, laden/kerb weight etc and the test itself in comparison to the MOT was more rigorous. It failed!

I was disappointed but not disheartened. The DVSA listed a couple of items which needed to be addressed;

1. Passenger side wheel arch flap. There is a rubber lining which divides the wheel arches from the engine area which had come loose where two clips had been dislodged when jet-sprayed by local car cleaning service as the car had to be presented in a clean condition for the IVA inspection.

2. Chassis plate. Although the vehicle chassis number was located in three different locations, there was nothing on the vehicle that indicated the vehicle’s laden / front/rear/combined axle weights. So I had to look for a plate manufacturer that would do this for me. Having paid gbp 199.00 for the IVA, the re-test would cost gbp 40.00 as a full examination would not be required if re-presented within six months. The next day I took it to my local Ford who secured the rubber flap under the wheel arches and referred me to a Company which manufactures VIN tags. This was the easy part. Obtaining empirical values was going to be a challenge of obtuse proportions. After being sent pillar to post by Ford Customer Services in India, eventually a senior customer relations handled my query when I asked for the matter to be escalated. Problem is…Ford India did not have this information!

A team BHPian had reached out to me enquiring on progress and whether I had managed to ship the Endeavour over, having read my post on TBHP. Whilst my own dealer in Bhubaneswar was unable to assist, Mr Vidya had contacted his dealer who got in touch with the engineering team at Ford Australia who came through with the precise information. This is crucial since absence of the chassis plate in the first place necessitated verifiable link...in this case email thread including Ford letterhead containing data values stamped on new VIN tags detailing laden / front/rear/combined axle weights, manufacturer, engine size etc. I placed the order with the VIN tag company for aluminium plate (to be affixed by Ford in the engine bay area) for next day express delivery and for good measure ordered UV protected vinyl labels from local printer for the door sill where the information would be more visible.

Within a week of having visited DVSA in Southampton, I booked the re-test for 5th of March, this time in Norwich as I wanted the two hour drive to be along a different scenic route. I booked the hotel this time to stay the evening as I’d visited Norwich before and apart from places of architectural beauty, some good eateries deserved a revisit. The appointment with Norwich DVSA was for noon and although I arrived an hour early, was seen straight away. They looked at the written conditions from previous IVA report, inspected the metallic chassis plate which the team at Ford had professionally tapped onto the engine bay as well as the labelling on the door sill, checked underneath the wheel arch and left as he asked me to wait in Reception while he prepared the Certificate…YES!!

I enjoyed dining that evening with my wife, cautiously rejoicing with mild sense of achievement as I accomplished tasks inch by inch…before I had left the hotel for dinner, I completed the DVLA application form, included all the documents including original IVA certificate and NOVA (notice of vehicle’s arrival) and posted it Special Next day delivery.

A week later I received a rejection notice in the post! Since I didn’t have the original Indian Vehicle Registration Certificate, DVLA wanted me to obtain hard copy confirmation on letterhead from Ford India confirming Date of Manufacture. I contacted the senior Relationship manager at Ford India who after discussing the requirement with Mr Vidya whom I nominated as my local contact, agreed to oblige. Regrettably the hard copy was not forthcoming although the letter confirming date of manufacture was scan/emailed to me before Lockdown. These are unprecedented times we find ourselves in. I wrote to DVLA explaining it was physically impossible to obtain hard copy couriered within time during the pandemic. DVLA management reviewed my file and agreed to make an exception on this occasion due to extenuating circumstances and were prepared to accept my imported vehicle registration application on the basis of documents that were available to me. Just when I thought everything was going smoothly…I was informed that the MOT certificate I had submitted was missing last few digits of the chassis number. This was Monday 23rd of March 2020. I rushed straight to my local Ford Service Centre who without hesitation booked the Endeavour for an immediate re-test on a priority basis…complimentary. As soon as I had the new certificate in my hand I posted it special next day delivery. That evening Boris Johnson announced the Lockdown. Fortunately the mail was delivered in time…

As I wrote this article today [5/4/20] I was mindful of its limited appeal, as a narrative it took me back 3 years when I had first stumbled on this forum and read thoughts shared by others…some more daring in their quest to traverse rough terrain and weather conditions across continents. I feel like a newbie again.

Mission accomplished with arrival of Endeavour’s new registration document. The number plates from Ford were fitted to the SUV on Friday 3rd of April. I have so many places I wish to explore. Once nationwide restrictions currently in place are lifted…my adventure begins.
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Brilliantly detailed posts, finally someone did it after all this contemplation.

JayD on the forum has an Old Vw beetle which has been to Canada Twice and back now in Cochin, nothing beats that I guess.
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UK registration for the Endeavour from DVLA received earlier this week with number plates from Ford on Friday 3rd April…at last! Had decided to import the SUV to England in May 2019.

Mission accomplished with arrival of Endeavour’s new registration document. The number plates from Ford were fitted to the SUV on Friday 3rd of April. I have so many places I wish to explore. Once nationwide restrictions currently in place are lifted…my adventure begins.
This is like a pre-adventure of the series of adventures which would now begin. And perfect timing (before Covid could delay it) !

On one hand - I think this very clearly demonstrates the gaps in our internal processes (RTO related) which could primarily be because very few brave souls pursue ventures like these. More importantly though - there are decent gaps which Ford should be taking care off for cars in India (a simple VIN plate with weight details which is also illustrated in the manual should not be an item which a company decides to drop down from the list when launching in India).

On the other hand - Ford India leadership and customer support were quite supportive (while also puzzled and bemused since they are used to managing escalations of a different kind revolving around warranty claims and Sync 3) updates). Also - this now sets the precedent for any other enthusiast attempting to do the same (India to UK makes a lot of sense for this car given the costs involved - for the 3.2L engine I mean).

The process is very well articulated and the learnings here can save a lot of time and effort. Kudos for compiling it.

The hassles here would probably make the upcoming travels more sweet - we all look forward to pictures of a car which has "Endeavour" written on it plying the highlands of UK, and possibly EU and Iceland in near future.

Here is to many more jealous and excited on-lookers on the island wondering what Ranger that is.. !!

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Hi, as I plan my relocation to Canada towards the end of the year, one big question coming to my mind is - what do I do with my 13,200 run 2015 Nov Tata Nano XTA. This car is God's gift to mankind in Bangalore. People in my professional and social network know about my love for the Nano.
Now the predicament. While I will retain the Creta, City and 800 in India, the thought of giving away this Nano for pittons gives me the jitter. 50k or 1 lac ? Nope. Then came this thought if it's feasible to import the Tata Nano XTA into Canada. Hey, Ajay Leno has the older Nano in his collection, why not me with the newer auto tranny Nano?
Looking forward to your guidance. May I request generic answers to be kept at bay.

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if it's feasible to import the Tata Nano XTA into Canada.
I think its near to impossible if you read following page.

https://www.tc.gc.ca/en/services/roa...ed-states.html

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Did you know that most vehicles sold in countries other than the United States (U.S.) cannot be imported into Canada?

If you are considering importing a vehicle you bought in a country other than the U.S. you need to know that:

It is a criminal offense to import a vehicle into Canada that does not meet the requirements of the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (the Act). Offences and penalties are described in Section 17 of the Act.
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