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Originally Posted by drmohitg Thanks for replying finally. We waited for a long time.
Did you take a TD before booking the car?
What is with weather gaskets. Member Amalji above clearly told and also the mods who covered the official TD review that the gaskets are present but not in there usual position. And there is no water seepage issues due to this. That only arises due to a shoddy after market work done on your car for speakers etc.
Do you have any statistics? I think people buying those cars also face issues. Ever heard of the famous rattles of Maruti products? Or poor braking issues of the new swift? Steering rattles from the Hyundai cars has also been consistently present in most of there cars. Any comments on that?
Atleast TBHP reviews are not biased. They are the reason I fell in love with this forum because of the total unbiased nature of them. Have you gone through them?
They are not absent as I told you. Do check the official TD review. Thats being given on the Petrol car Only mate. Diesel has a waiting of more then 2-3 months. Petrol cars have a discount and all the companies are giving it. Did you hear about Honda's massive discounts and price cuts? So you believe that Honda cars had a problem?
No its just because of increasing cost of petrol, people are shifting towards diesel cars. |
I booked the vehicle with Galaxy Toyota New Delhi before physically seeing the vehicle.On papers Toyota ETIOS seemed to be an excellent product.Test drive of a vehicle is only for 10 min and 2 kilometer and the actual performance can not be gauged with the sales executive explaining about the car and family members discussing their own agendas.Moreover the vehicle which is delivered to the customer is a different vehicle and not the same one. So the Quality can vary.During the visit to Galaxy Toyota workshop I observed that all the ETIOS had different noise and vibrations level. This was also shown to TKM Engineers and TKM Customer Support Representatives.
I have taken Toyota ETIOS model V factory fitted with all wiring for speaker etc and there is no outside market fittings. The problem of missing weather gaskets is because of absence and not because of modifications.
But all other Toyota products Innova, Corolla, Altis, Camry, Land Cruiser are internationally launched and running successfully in all the parts of the world.
Toyota ETIOS is a raw attempt on a totally new platform where the design and idea has been taken from Renault Logan which also does not have the full weather gasket but the doors are stretched further to the roof top to avoid the rain water to enter inside the door area. The exterior black plastic turning grey in color, slow response of brake pedal, low fuel economy, engine and road vibrations inside the passenger cabin, etc . The list of Questionable parameters is very long. It is better to discuss a complete luxurious hatchback at half the price of Toyota ETIOS than the doubly priced Toyota ETIOS sedan.
In my Toyota ETIOS there is no weather gasket on the door. As you also own the three best cars in the world Honda City, Corolla Altis and Mitsubishi Lancer- Just open their doors and look for the weather gaskets all around the window area and you will notice a black EPDM gasket which has many functions-
1)Prevent dust from entering inside.
2)Prevent water from entering inside.
3)Prevent and shield vibrations between doors and the passenger cabin frame.
4)Prevent and shield noise from the road to enter inside the passenger cabin.
5)Prevent insects, lizards cockroaches to enter inside the cabin or prevent them from being trapped in between the door and the frame.
If these weather gaskets are installed any of the above mentioned foreign particles stick to the door and extend away from the body of the car on opening the door. This can only be experienced by sitting inside the car and doing it for 5-10 times.
Well I have also been driving cars for more than 15 years but I had never expected such a stupid flaw inside the newly launched Toyota ETIOS.
Toyota ETIOS engineers will never be able or defend this argument.
Burt his mistake has happened and will be written as a key learning in the history of Toyota - The Toyota way, Toyota Production System - TPS.
I do not have an automobile education and I am only a user and if I can note it then definitely the great Toyota Engineers in Japan might have already noticed it.
Indian Toyota is only banking on the hard work and the caliber of Japanese engineers. TKM has shown its weakness by designing such a poor quality car and only supported by few non technical review writers. This Internet marketing campaign only prompted me to launch my website because of their provoking remarks on my reviews.
I had been a great Toyota follower and fan since 1979 on my maiden Toyota Corolla drive.But Toyota ETIOS disappoints me in all the fields from customer satisfaction to ride, comfort, Build Quality, Interior plastic Quality. Toyota ETIOS like any suitcase has only a great boot space to boast off. The rest is forced appreciation.
Hyundai, Maruti and Tata have very well adapted to Indian environmental conditions and ignorant nature of drivers who do not get their vehicles maintained or serviced but still their vehicles run very well on Indian roads.
All these brands sell 10 times more vehicles than Toyota in India but still we have good satisfied customer ratio wrt volumes.
On one hand we appreciate Toyota ETIOS as a City Sedan and is not stable at high speeds on highways etc and on the other hand we appreciate the boot space - Do we require boot space in a city car.
Does it mean that it is better to buy a space saving hatchback to easily drive in city rather than owning a costly Toyota ETIOS - with large boot space yet called a city car.
No doubt Toyota makes good Quality cars but Toyota ETIOS is a disaster.
We can not hide the incapabilities of Toyota Engineering by saying that it is priced less at Rs 7.5L
In any of the conditions
Quality - Good and Price - High = Engineering Design Fails.
Quality - Poor and Price - High= Engineering Design Fails
Quality - Poor and Price - Low= Engineering Design Fails
Quality - Good and Price - Low= Engineering Design PASSES.
In Toyota ETIOS I do not find a single feature or quality where I can say that it is “TOYOTA” product.
I know that team BHP is a non biased community and that is the only reason that apart from my own website I love to write, share and seek opinion from people like you.
My discussions are in the right spirit but today I am the only person to argue. But tomorrow I may have many like minded people to share and voice their concerns.
Toyota ETIOS performs good only on papers, Internet reviews, megazines, TVC and not on Road.