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As I've clearly written in my previous post, Hyundai has given good quality interiors to the EON, which is 2-3 segments below the Etios and don't you think that Toyota, the Japanese giant, with all their quality, should have given at least a matching or even better interior to their Q-class Etios than that of a cheap car from a cheap Korean car company? Quote:
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Senior - BHPian | Re: Frustrated Etios owner places Ad with complaints With no offence to any t-bhp member here, I find that there are 3 or 4 folks who are aggressively defending the etios because they have bought one. I'm not one of those who is completely bashing the Etios for no reason. But the car is clearly not making a case for itself! Look at the Liva, it has been clearly outdone by the competition and in spite of having a diesel i dont think its even rivalling the ritz! Secondly why should any customer be left unhappy? Even in the logan's case I do not find such complaints or issues post sales.For that matter of fact, even the manza. People totally trash manza due to the Tata brand name and say it lacks quality , fit and finish etc. Forget the dzire for a moment and just compare the manza and the etios. I would take the manza any day. The fact is that the Etios is a decent but very uninspiring car and that is it. Sales charts will tell you the numbers as we move forward. |
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The point is that in today's age a customer doesn't just go book the car after seeing a add. One should always take a TD of all the cars in his budget and then decide. Companies will always market there product as the best. So I am not very sure of why everyone is having a problem with the Q class promise. It can also be interpreted as a car which would be very good to drive, has space and stuff right? Quote:
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So you should see what suits you best. Senior member and moderator Tanveer finally booked the Liva instead of the Ritz for an example which suited his needs more. And we are not defending Etios. I made an objection when many people on the forum started bashing Toyota without trying to find out if the issues being reported elsewhere on the internet were true or not. You may want to ask if I will buy the Etios? Well It will be a very close fight between the Etios and the Manza. Last edited by drmohitg : 25th October 2011 at 16:28. | |||||
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25th October 2011, 21:52 | #244 | |
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BTW, it is funny that the Etios which seems to have a range of issues in the initial few months of ownership is to teach Indians about long-term reliability. | |
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1) Drive the Dzire, take it to 100 kmph, try slamming the brakes. Do the same on the Etios. If you are an experienced driver, you will understand, what I mean by poor braking in the Swift/Dzire. 2) For people whom looks matter more than functionality, Etios is not the car to go for. For people, who look for functionality and practicality above looks n style, with the hassle free ownership experience of Toyota, Etios is a great car. Quote:
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I talked about the same with another friend of mine who owns an Innova. He told that even on his Innova, it's the same. ( But, I haven't verified this myself. So, I'm not too sure about it ) You should be either kidding or maybe, Toyota has specially made a car for you. I've talked with many Etios owners. I've read almost all reviews including team-bhp's reviews. I've tried the braking of Etios at very high speeds. It's one of the best brakes I've ever come across. The car stays stable inspite of severe change in direction and speed. I took one of my friend who drives real rash and he was mighty impressed with the dynamics of this car after the test drive. Team-bhp's best man - GTO mentioned that Etios' dynamics is even better than the Altis! Now, on one of the reviews outside this forum by you, I've seen that you have even mentioned - "Poor Pickup" as one of the disadvantage of this car. Now, that's one comment which even the worst Etios critic would ever put forward. Because the minimum torque of this car is very near to the Maximum torque of the Dzire. And it is pulling a car which is lighter than the Dzire. Either you got a car which is utter one-off case. ( If you say so, please share your full address. I would like to try out a test drive myself on your car whenever I plan to go for a road trip. If any of the other Etios owners want to accompany me, let me know. We'll all go in an Etios. ) Or I'm reading a review written by a person who is having wrong expectations on a car. If you genuinely have a problem, I'll come with you to Toyota showroom, talk with them, record the conversations and see what they do about it, and then post the result in the forum. I'm talking about the issues mentioned like braking, and pick up, not the NVH because that's part and parcel of Etios. On a lighter note, I can see several ads poping up on your website as well. The scope for internet marketing for click based ads are infinite. Quote:
2) When did Honda City, Corolla and Lancer become the best cars in the world ? That's news to me. 3) Please don't think that the Toyota Engineers who designed the gaskets are fools. This is a common design used in many cars around the world ( confirmed by a Maruti engineer ) Quote:
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one is not an Etios owner. two are Etios owners one is going to be an Etios owner inspite of the negative reviews I've seen from people like Munish ( Yes, that's me. ) Firstly, if owners defend a bad post on their car, it means there is indeed customer loyalty for Etios. Secondly, if a person who is about to buy the Etios inspite of seeing these negativeness is going ahead with the booking ( inspite of having Swift ZDi booking on hand ) means that person has taken the effort to verify that most of the complaints made doesn't make much sense. I'm spending 8 Lakhs on this car despite this forum post, and I do it only because I've done in-depth research on this car. Thirdly, if a person who doesn't own the Etios supports this car, then he is viewing it with a neutral eye and giving his comments. Check the Swift Braking issue thread on team-bhp and you will understand how many Swift owners are pissed off with the braking on the all new Swift. Quote:
To understand the scarcity in Diesel, I'll explain my experience. I booked my Etios and Liva ( for my mother ) Diesels, on the first day of the unofficial booking date on 1st week of September ( even before the launch of the Diesel by Toyota ). I'll be getting my Etios only on 27th of this month. Liva will take another one month of waiting. Quote:
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Also, for me Q-class means that the car as delivered (I can see that the interiors are not premium class - Toyota is not cheating me on that!) will stay that way for the years to come. That's my expectations of Q-class. Quote:
Regarding Manza, just the other day I had made comment that I would take Manza over Etios most of the time, but for the concern on Tata quality niggles and A$$. Folks, please allow me to retract my statement. Just yesterday, I drove Manza for about 100 kms. Now I say that I'll ALWAYS take Etios over Manza for an owner-driven car. Reason, something that's not immediately visible. The brilliant ergonomics of Etios make it way so effortless to drive around! And I am not even talking about reliability etc. Who cares if Etios fails or succeeds? I just love it! Quote:
Too early to make a definitive judgement on the Etios problems. Have to give time to Toyota to sort out any teething problems in a new plant. Any quality practice has to overcome initial issues. But agree with you fully, if Toyota fails on this front over time, it will lose its face big time. | |||
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With all due respect, I feel that this thread is useless and needs to be closed. All claims here seem to have been made without any grounds (whether complaints or not-complaints). It is not up to T-BHP quality mark. | ||
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26th October 2011, 13:12 | #248 |
Distinguished - BHPian | Re: Frustrated Etios owner places Ad with complaints Completely OT! - Request mods to keeps this post. One thing that really surprises me on team-bhp forum is, its more the non owner who make all the noise most of the times and not the owners. There would be exceptions, but thats the trend on this forum now a days. You need any pointers to this, please go through this thread or any fiat threads. May be Toyota somehow managed to join the Fiat bandwagon! |
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| Re: Frustrated Etios owner places Ad with complaints My 2 cents on Etios, reliability and other factors. I will buy a car because it meets my needs; otherwise I won't. These requirements will certainly go up depending my expectations and budget. Having done a test drive of Etios (recently) and Manza (quite some time back), if I had to choose between these two vehicles, I would opt for Etios. (Eventually I went in for Honda Jazz – please check my ownership thread if need be). But my decision to go in for brand 'A' does not make other brands bad or useless. It is just that they do not meet my needs. Yes, the NVH levels were relatively higher in Etios but to me the NVH levels did not do the decibel breaking levels!! It was very high in comfort; the much-maligned single wiper did a superb job during the TD (it was raining then) and was a pleasure to drive. While Manza ticked many of the boxes, the drivability was not as good as Etios. About reliability, am talking about a 2-wheeler here. I bought a Kinetic Honda in 1988, which had the original Honda engine and parts. The only thing that I did during the 12-year ownership (driven in Vadodara, Ahmedabad and Hyderabad) was to change the belts, Oil and Battery. Even if I start the vehicle after 30 days, the push button start will start the vehicle in just one press of the button. The bulbs, the spark plug, the clutch, the brakes - nothing had to be touched during these 12 years and around 75k kms of running. No break downs ever. And I got an average of 48 kmpl. Many of us in the forum have owned cars abroad and know a thing or two about reliability and why the cars from Japs (with few notable exceptions) are always valued. Suzuki is one of the exceptions (not sure which are the other exceptions from Japan) I don’t think a person buys a car or any item only to criticize it roundly on every point later. Even the much criticized water leaks in Etios – to what extent it is true is within the realms of speculation since (to my knowledge) no owner in Team BHP has mentioned about it. It only goes to show that the buyer has not done his/her homework prior to the purchase. And it is not fair to make unsubstantiated claims either way. And making unfair or unsubstantiated claims or supporting it is not the aim of Team-BHP. And to that extent, I think this thread is serving its purpose. Just now, I saw the post of nkrishnap and totally agree with his points. I added my thoughts here because I felt that some statements were being made that appear to be not based on personal experiences. Last edited by aaren : 26th October 2011 at 13:17. Reason: Added a point |
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When I select a car, I mainly do 4 things. 1) Go and see the car in real, analyze it for as much time as possible. The first time, I checked Etios, I was in the showroom for almost 4 hours checking out the minute details. 2) Test drive the car for as much time as possible ( I did it 5 times from 3 different showrooms in Cochin and Trivandrum). If possible, accompany your friends when they take a test drive. This will give a different person's perspective. 3) Read unbiased reviews like the ones in team-bhp which clearly mentions the negatives and positives ( however minute it is ). Analyze whether your priorities are met by the positives and your top priority factors are not compromised by the negatives. 4) Read the most pessimistic reviews of the car and analyze how much of truth these reviews have in them, and whether these negatives weigh more than the positives of the car. After the above 4 checks, I've decided to stick with Etios. I'll stick with it regardless of how many more spammers makes their presence felt in the facebook fan page for Etios. In fact, I even doubt whether some of the members with "very fake" userids are representing other car companies. I've even complained to Toyota Etios moderator on why spammers are allowed to even post on the fan page. It destroys the overall feel of the fan page, if the discussions are junk and doesn't make any sense. Quote:
1) People like Mr. Munish who have different expectations from a car do not buy this car again, blindly trusting brand - Toyota 2) People for whom Practicality and functionality means more than looks and style, ( aka the right target audience for this car ) will not turn away from this car 3) I'm sure Toyota is reading this thread, because I've discussed about this thread on their fan page with a positive intent. This thread might convince them that practicality and functionality might not be the only factors that can attract customers. Indians also give care for interior looks and speedometer designs. That might prompt them to correct these minor glitches in their future releases, so that future buyers can benefit. | ||
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Even then at its price point the 800 is an amazing car. Same goes for the Maruti Van. We had one from 89-98. Drove it to every place on the map, loaded it with un-imaginable amount of luggage and it passed each time. But then as a kid I also remember so many times stopping on the highway with us stranded on the road with the front left hand seat kept outside on the road and the driver trying to pour water on something. That car used to get overheated a lot. So will I call it reliable? Yes because it was the best that the market offered at that time. Now we make all those trips and carry luggage in my Innova. I literally shifted my whole house in Delhi 2 months back using my Innova. Not a rattle from any corner, no issues whatsoever. As an after thought can Maruti give us an Alto with Eon like interior quality? Or give us a ritz/swift with Brio and Jazz like quality interiors? The point is that each car has its pros and cons. So stay away from rhetorical statements like above, they don't serve any purpose. Marutis rattle. Toyotas do not. And don't tell me that your maruti doesn't because thats not the point. Thats what the member above was trying to say but I am not sure why people took offence and let go off there patriotic juices. Having said that I am not in favor of all or none phenomenon. These are all car makers and they are there to give us there best products and earn a profit. Some products from them are very good and some fail. Both maruti and Toyota/Honda have had there share of success and failures. Quote:
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26th October 2011, 14:45 | #254 |
Senior - BHPian | Re: Frustrated Etios owner places Ad with complaints So many pages devoted to an ugly car. Mods should close this meaningless thread. So what if it is a Toyota? These days lines between qualities of rival brands are blurring. Toyota is slipping while others ( Indians like Tata/Mahindra ) are catching up. I feel Manza beats Etios on all fronts and Scorpio beats Innova on all fronts. I know die-hard Toyota fan will never agree with it but that is a fact. Dr.Mohitg, You said give Toyota some time to sort out teething problems. Teething problems? On a Toyota? What's that? Don't we use those words on Tata cars? Are Toyotas also having teething problems these days? Then what's the difference between Tata and Toyota? |
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As far as my blanket statement is concerned, you can interpret it as you like. Just once again go around this very own forum and make a mental point to note how many owners have problems with there Maruti, Tata, Fiat, Hyundai and Toyota. You unfortunately choose to ignore my point in the above post about the all or none phenomenon. Why does all cars have to be good or bad. Its the collective % at the end of the day that matters. And that % is higher for the Maruti when you compare it with Toyota. Anyways lets not make this thread into a maruti vs toyota by quoting parts of eachothers post and going on about it. You are a happy maruti owner, I am a happy maruti and Toyota owner. Quote:
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Yes I said that. Toyota would surely look into it and if there is a genuine problem like the ones associated with weather gaskets, I hope they rectify it. For instance Vid did mention in his review that all the new Etios/Liva cars are coming now with an extra underbody coating to reduce those NVH levels. So whats the harm in that? This is a car that they have got for the first time unlike there other offerings which were launched elsewhere much earlier and so all basic problems were sorted out. BTW don't people say that even the big german cars become more reliable as they come towards the end of there life cycle since the company by that time solves all the niggles that have presented itself? Last edited by drmohitg : 26th October 2011 at 15:10. | ||||||
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