[Behemoth]

Originally Posted by rangakishen

Dont know if this is the right thread to ask this.

Did the laura (old one) ever come in a higher state of tune (than the 110 bhp)? My friend claim to have hit 200kmph (Had enough straight road with good visibility) in it. I highly doubt the 110bhp mill is capable of getting the laura (manual) to 200 mark (my friend claims it had more juice left).

Hi rangakishen,
The Skodas in India have a max speed limiter set at 190km/h, so it is unlikely that your friend hit 200! The engine certainly has enough power, but the Ecu will still not allow the car to go beyond 190. Only way it is possible is if it is assisted by a downslope/ or if the speed limiter is raised (which is done when cars are hypertuned - peted, chipped etc!.

[rangakishen]

Originally Posted by Behemoth

Hi rangakishen,
The Skodas in India have a max speed limiter set at 190km/h, so it is unlikely that your friend hit 200! The engine certainly has enough power, but the Ecu will still not allow the car to go beyond 190. Only way it is possible is if it is assisted by a downslope/ or if the speed limiter is raised (which is done when cars are hypertuned - peted, chipped etc!.

I've seen the pic at 200kmph. But cant believe it. And about 190 speed limit, There are so many Bhpians who've gone beyond 200 in their lauras (petrol which is really powerful).

[Akshay1234]

Originally Posted by rangakishen

Dont know if this is the right thread to ask this.

Did the laura (old one) ever come in a higher state of tune (than the 110 bhp)? My friend claim to have hit 200kmph (Had enough straight road with good visibility) in it. I highly doubt the 110bhp mill is capable of getting the laura (manual) to 200 mark (my friend claims it had more juice left).

You mean the 105bhp PD. Yes it is possible with an open stretch he touched 200 on the speedo.

Originally Posted by Behemoth

Hi rangakishen,
The Skodas in India have a max speed limiter set at 190km/h, so it is unlikely that your friend hit 200! The engine certainly has enough power, but the Ecu will still not allow the car to go beyond 190. Only way it is possible is if it is assisted by a downslope/ or if the speed limiter is raised (which is done when cars are hypertuned - peted, chipped etc!.

Which Skoda cars are these? Enough Laura tsi's going above 200, I've driven a Superb 1.8 above 190 and a 3.6 to 220. The old vRS also had a claimed top speed of 220.

Pete's or any of these chips can't alter the speed limiter but can raise the top speed if the car is not limited.

[rangakishen]

Originally Posted by akshay1234

You mean the 105bhp PD. Yes it is possible with an open stretch he touched 200 on the speedo.

Dont know if I should continue this discussion here. Please guide me to the appropriate thread. But till today I thought that a car's BHP rating is directly indicative of its top speed (of course weight comes into play). So then an SX4 can do 200? ANHC can do 200? Polo 1.6 (power to weight ratio is on par with laura's) can do 200?? !! Not talking about stability here. I know the cars above mentioned will not be stable at all, but just top speed on one straight road.

[Akshay1234]

Originally Posted by rangakishen

Dont know if I should continue this discussion here. Please guide me to the appropriate thread. But till today I thought that a car's BHP rating is directly indicative of its top speed (of course weight comes into play). So then an SX4 can do 200? ANHC can do 200? Polo 1.6 (power to weight ratio is on par with laura's) can do 200?? !! Not talking about stability here. I know the cars above mentioned will not be stable at all, but just top speed on one straight road.

Nope the SX4 nor the City (I'm quite sure) have the torque to touch 200. Its not only power to weight, its where the power is delivered, how much torque is there. The Laura 105bhp pd had 250nm of torque I think which is much more than the SX4 or City and that is what would have given the extra push to reach 200 on the speedo. Again I'm saying the speedo reading, and the actually speed was probably 15-20km lower.

The Polo 1.6 I've sat in, and man that car is quick. Enough of friends have touched 190 with ease, I think that too would just about touch 200 on the speedo.

[rangakishen]

Originally Posted by akshay1234

Nope the SX4 nor the City (I'm quite sure) have the torque to touch 200. Its not only power to weight, its where the power is delivered, how much torque is there. The Laura 105bhp pd had 250nm of torque I think which is much more than the SX4 or City and that is what would have given the extra push to reach 200 on the speedo. Again I'm saying the speedo reading, and the actually speed was probably 15-20km lower.

The Polo 1.6 I've sat in and man that car is quick. Enough of friends have touched 190 with ease, I think that too would just about touch 200 on the speedo.

Point taken. SX4 does have puny torque (IIRC 140Nm) compared to Laura.

Thank you for the quick responses!!

[Akshay1234]

Originally Posted by rangakishen

Point taken. SX4 does have puny torque (IIRC 140Nm) compared to Laura.

Thank you for the quick responses!!

No problem buddy. Nice to see someone else my age over here

Now lets get back on topic.

[Behemoth]

Originally Posted by akshay1234

Nope the SX4 nor the City (I'm quite sure) have the torque to touch 200. Its not only power to weight, its where the power is delivered, how much torque is there. The Laura 105bhp pd had 250nm of torque I think which is much more than the SX4 or City and that is what would have given the extra push to reach 200 on the speedo. Again I'm saying the speedo reading, and the actually speed was probably 15-20km lower.

The Polo 1.6 I've sat in, and man that car is quick. Enough of friends have touched 190 with ease, I think that too would just about touch 200 on the speedo.

Hi Akshay,

You have the answer in what you just mentioned. The Speedo actually over-reports the speed by almost 8% in case of Skoda (see Briskoda for more details). The ECU however knows the correct speed as it uses a different approach for speed / distance calculation and does not refer the speedometer/ odometer. The actual speed when the speedo displays 200 will be around 184kmph. Laura and Yeti I know for sure are limited till 190 True speed by Channel 7 of the ECU controller ( It is possible to increase this with Lemminwinks.) In Superb, IIRC, it is set at 210 kmph (true speed).
There are several limiting factors which restrict the car's ability to go faster, main one being the aerodynamics - at such high speeds, wind resistance is very high and has to be overcome by the engine power (front force generated by torque on wheels), hence after a point , most cars will not be able to forge ahead due to air resistance. There also other factors like suspension, ground clearance, tyres etc which also play a role in stability of the car at these speeds. This is where body kit and spoilers help increase the stability at high speeds. E.g. A Laura VRS with the same 1.8 TSI engine will be able to go faster (pickup and top speed) because of better aerodynamics from the kit and spoiler).
There are also many other factors which are significant, but it is definitely not safe to drive any car at such speeds on Indian roads and I would request all to please refrain from trying such speeds. If you would like to race your car, please participate in one of the racing clubs which operate from racing tracks.

Drive safe!

Regards,
Behemoth

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[dezrskb]

Originally Posted by akshay1234

No problem buddy. Nice to see someone else my age over here

Now lets get back on topic.

Hi Akshay,
Thanks for the useful post. I have been digging through all the threads on this topic because this is my problem today. A good car in 15-20L (OTR) range !. I need a preferably diesel, with minimal turbo lag, excellent build, all possible safety features for this segment, and a driver's car (I love driving) and also good back seat comfort with mostly 4 adults max and may be occasionally (5% of times) a 5th adult in back seat (preferably a low floor hump). What do u think fits the bill?

[vb-saan]

Originally Posted by dezrskb

Hi Akshay,
A good car in 15-20L (OTR) range !. I need a preferably diesel, with minimal turbo lag, excellent build, all possible safety features for this segment, and a driver's car (I love driving) and also good back seat comfort with mostly 4 adults max and may be occasionally (5% of times) a 5th adult in back seat (preferably a low floor hump). What do u think fits the bill?

Not that difficult, considering the fact that there are not many options around. In diesel AT, Jetta and Laura are good choices, Jetta is relatively new, Laura has DSG in lower trims, and you may have more options to bargain.

If its MT, you can bring in the Fluence also into the mix. I read some good reviews on the E4 after the recent engine upgrade. And if you like something different, the Yeti is there as well. So if you firm up on the priority of the parameters e.g.; MT v/s AT, power, safety, ride & handling, making a choice should be quite easy. Happy shopping.

[Akshay1234]

Originally Posted by dezrskb

Hi Akshay,
Thanks for the useful post. I have been digging through all the threads on this topic because this is my problem today. A good car in 15-20L (OTR) range !. I need a preferably diesel, with minimal turbo lag, excellent build, all possible safety features for this segment, and a driver's car (I love driving) and also good back seat comfort with mostly 4 adults max and may be occasionally (5% of times) a 5th adult in back seat (preferably a low floor hump). What do u think fits the bill?

Like Vb-san mentioned, the Laura and the Jetta should be your 2 main choices, they fit the criteria well. Now depending on which variant you are looking at and whether auto or manual you can decide between the 2. People think the Laura looks dated, but personally I don't think it does. I would recommend you check out one of the DSG variants since it is a brilliant gearbox.

Do also check out the Yeti, its a great little car.

[dezrskb]

Hi Vb-San and Akshay.
Thanks for the input. To confuse the issue further I was reading on net comparison between Japanese and German / European cars. Well, that was even more distracting as most websites mention about surveys in European countries and US mentioning the Japanese occupying the top positions in list of most reliable cars. Toyota seems to be one of the most reliable. But the diesel car they have in my budget seems to be significantly underpowered, without automatic options too and a dated looking design (corolla altis 1.4 D4D) and overpriced. Honda doesnt have a diesel. Except that Corolla doesn't have a floor hump and appears to be able to sit 5 at back comfortably, it doesnt look attractive when I compare it to European counterparts in this price bracket. Or am I overlooking anything in Japanese? By the way I have asked for a test drive with corolla and they will bring it to me tomorrow.

Now let me relax one of my criteria.
Suppose my monthly running is about 1200-1300 Kms, then with the petrol rates as they stand now (with the possibility of climbing further up), can I consider a petrol vehicle? If so what should be my choices in this price range (other than the petrol counterparts of same jetta, laura. Oh yes, probably Honda appears on scene now?). I hope you will be able to help me out.

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