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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | ![]() A Premier 118 NE being flagged off during the Rally D' Endurance (December 1988), as reported in Indian Auto Journal of January 1989. The rally was simultaneously flagged from Bombay and Bangalore ![]() Last edited by anjan_c2007 : 13th April 2013 at 23:38. |
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Nope, it's a 118 NE. Check the badge on the front grill, also the rectangular headlamps are definitely bigger than the M800. The angle of the photo and the quality of the photo did confuse me too, however the badge is the same old PAL. That's a sure giveaway. |
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BHPian ![]() | ![]() My 118NE which started rolling on the streets in October 1995 has completed 100000 kms on the odo. He has been with me since the last 19000 kms and still strong. Just wanted to share the picture of the odo setting back to zero. The owner's manual mentions maintenance procedures only till 100000kms. What would be the best way to pamper him and retain the sturdiness to extend his life? Thanks Last edited by ilangop : 26th April 2013 at 14:43. |
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I would like to know whether you had to do any work on the engine till now or it is still untouched. My experience says they loose compression after 60-70,000 kms. | |
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Under my ownership it was untouched. At the moment there is some oil leak through the valve in 4th cylinder, for which I keep changing the spark plug once in 5000 kms. Thats it. I think I ll have to attend to this very soon. | |
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| ![]() Ilango: Congratulations to you and your NE for completing 100000 kms!! ![]() ![]() Does the oil leak in the valve of the 4th cylinder require to you to top up the engine oil very frequently? If no then I think you can carry on using the car as usual and then at a later stage do complete engine overhaul. Regards and Keep Revving, Rahul Waghmare. |
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assuming that PAL didnt use substandard materials and didnt skimp on the heat treatment with the block and head etc. i dont see why even 2 lakh kms is a big deal. Continue with your periodic maintainance and it should be fine I remember back in the nineties while growing up, i used to hear that a maruti 800's engine wont last more than a lakh kms and reduce that to 50000 if it runs an a/c. Well we have a 98 800 in our family that only did 9,000 kms on petrol, was then switched to lpg till it reached 90,000. it was then converted to cng and an a/c was installed.Well now it has done 1,90,000 kms on the original engine and its still going strong. All cylinders have good compression, about 175psi(it should be 190 for a new engine and at 140 it needs an overhaul). And the only thing wrong with it is that the big end bearings are worn, so if the engine exceeds a certain rpm then you can hear a knocking sound from the big end. this rpm translates to about 80kmph in fourth gear. so i dont drive it any faster than 70kmph under any circumstances and usually drive at 60-65. I think the car will safely do another 20000kms after which we wont bother with an overhaul, we will just change the half assembly since its so cheap anyway. Basically todays engines last longer because of MPFI. earlier engines uses to vibrate a lot when cold and therefore wear faster plus ignorant idiots who refused to read the manuals would start their cars up in the morning and revv them to the redline to warm them up. since with mpfi,cars are now idiot proof therefore they last more. My 800's a carb car though And for maximum engine life always keep the rpm low. The more you revv the lesser will the engine last, go easy on it during warm up. But i guess you already knew all that. ![]() | |
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The design may be good but it is poor workmanship. Certainly not for a Japanese engine. Quote:
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This is the reason why any stress on the engine whether by means of high rpm or load ,will lead to much higher wear To bring the engine upto temperature quickly the cooling system has a thermostat that stops the flow of coolant till the engine reaches operating temperature. Some ignorant owners remove this thermostat to sort of avoid overheating thereby running away from a bigger problem in their car ie: the actual cause of overheating Now about mpfi systems, An ecu detects the correctness of the air fuel ratio through readings from the O2 sensor, which doesnt work/provide readings till it becomes really hot(it too has a minimum operating temperature) which actually serves the purpose because till it starts getting readings the ecu runs a rich mixture which is required because a cold stoichimetrically correct charge is harder to ignite. This prevents the engine from dying like it does with most carb cars. Even so , the engine rpm never goes beyond 1.5k rpm and in some rare cases 2000 but only for a moment as the rpm drops to 1000 within a few seconds and to the sub 1000 idle rpm within a minute as soon as the ecu gets the reading from the now hot O2 sensor. this is nothing in comparison to the 4000-6000 people used to revv their cars to back in the day For a carb car its best to adjust the choke or if it non operational then use the accelerator to idle the engine at the lowest possible rpm at which it will run smoothly for a couple of minutes and then go easy on the engine till it achieves operating temperature. typically if you can start a carb car in delhi winters without using the choke, it means you are running a rich mixture and you surely arent getting the maximum fuel efficiency. Good power yes, but poor fuel efficiency compared to what you CAN get. SUMMARY: keeping your rpms and load low while warmup is the way you can minimize cold engine damage and wear. A dry brittle engine will wear out a lot more if revved.MPFI engines run higher than idle rpm only because the engine cant run smoothly at the usual idle rpm when cold, so it maintains the lowest possible rpm at which the engine can run smoothly Last edited by mycarhasablower : 28th April 2013 at 13:57. | |
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Team-BHP Support ![]() ![]() | ![]() Can anyone here (especially Mumbai members) tell me if it is possible to get a new set of 118NE differential unit in Mumbai? Not the housing and axle tube assembly. If yes, where to look for and what could be the cost? Is there in any specific shop/s in Opera House area? If not possible to get only the differential cluster then what would be cost of complete unit, if available? Dhabhar, I can surely expect a solution from you on this. ![]() Now, why am I asking for this? Background Today, I got into a Padmini cab to get back home. Cab had front bucket seats (I’ve seen more like this before) and a typical old A/C blower. He told me A/C is in perfect order but he has removed the compressor belt because of added load on the engine running on CNG. He started the engine and Padmini started with a different tone. I moved forward to see floor shift gear. Upon asking, he confirmed that engine and gearbox from 118NE. It was butter smooth but with a typical differential hum. I asked him if he had mated Padmini differential with this setup and he said differential is also from NE. He’s trying to get rid of this hum and his mechanic told him that he needs to open and check. He’s suggesting one whole day trip to Chor bazaar to hunt for a solution. Driver (owner actually) told me he doesn’t mind buying this new if the cost is not exorbitant. He had already checked with one or two shops at Opera house area and they don’t have any. I told him to give me a call after few days. He said he doesn’t carry a mobile but will call me from some public booth. I do have a responsibility to help him as a TBHPian. What say guys? |
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Diffrential is from NE too? surprising! Since the differential housing on the NE has mounts for trailing arms, coil springs and panhard rod and the padmini has these for leaf springs. Are you sure about this , because getting this conversion right isnt easy for a mechanic. Unless its one of those few Nissan engined padminis that PAL made. I remember Dhabhar sir mentioning them. There is a good chance that some dealer at Kashmere gate in delhi might have a set lying around. I found some really rare spares for my contessa there. NE's are still relatively common. If you dont find one in mumbai, ill happily give it a try here once my exams are over next week. Last edited by mycarhasablower : 29th April 2013 at 22:42. | |
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