Nissan Sunny DIESEL launched @ 7.98 Lakhs

Caramba · 13th December 2011, 14:21

Looking at the reaction to the price I think I am missing something

I do not believe the price is all that bad. While I appreciate they have limited services centres, brand visibility etc, their quality of cars is pretty good. Added to that it is feature rich, exteremely spacious and they have no skimped on the ABS, EBD across the variants. I hope it does well.

scooby05 · 13th December 2011, 14:51

The Sunny in Diesel is exclusive to India only. Does it mean they are exploiting our preference for diesels. Is the chassis and suspension strong enough to take the diesel motor with our roads and driving loads?

powertrain · 13th December 2011, 15:06

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Originally Posted by scooby05

The Sunny in Diesel is exclusive to India only. Does it mean they are exploiting our preference for diesels. Is the chassis and suspension strong enough to take the diesel motor with our roads and driving loads?

Scooby, That would be the last of our worries. Although Nissan does not enjoy the brand value that Honda & Toyota do, I personally do not think that Nissan will risk launching a car that does not have a Strong chassis or suspension

Regards,
Varun

sumeshmani · 13th December 2011, 15:17

Finally, the diesel gets launched, an event that was so eagerly awaited.
Popular belief was that the diesel will be priced 75-80K more than the petrol, the actual cost does seem a little high. At least this trend was not seen in the Micra.
I hope they have improved the highway manners of the car (review of the petrol deemed it as a good city car). If they have, then the price might feel acceptable at the end of a test drive.
Glad to see that the diesel did not drop features available in the same level petrol.
I guess on-road price in Bangalore for top end will be around 10.6L (only approximation).
Please do not take any point personally, it's only my view

Can't wait for the official review...

Caramelo · 13th December 2011, 15:57

pricing seems a bit off! yes we have 10 lac rupees diesel sedans in the C segment. but looking at the nissan sunny, the overall package should undercut the C segment! at least by a few thousands to justify itself.

i don't think the pricing is because of the cost. i think they wan't to milk it as much as its possible, hit the hammer when the metal is red hot, and then boom drop the price of give humongous discounts.

Autocop · 13th December 2011, 16:22

Ranault-Nissan had poorly priced/positioned Logan (sedan launched in joint venture with Mahindra).

Now they have entered fresh into the market with new models (Micra, Sunny, Koleos). The big question is, are they offering VFM products now or they continue to generate the feeling of selling over-priced cars?

1. Comparing Sunny against a Verito (earlier Logan) or a ETIOS, both these models are in same segement? or Sunny belongs to higher to segment? and either ways, why?

2. If Tata, Maruti and Fiat can sell same engines in different state of tunes in a Hatchback (Vista/Swift/Punto) and Sedan (Manza/SX4/Linea), what's wrong with Renault-Nissan doing the same as long as they package/price it competitively for the segement where Sunny belongs?

3. Diesel Launch is a big milestone which many customers prefer these days. They need to market their product (and especially Diesel Launch in particular) well to create awareness.

4. Of course they need to build wider sales and service in long-term to be successful.

dkaile · 13th December 2011, 17:23

A rational launch by Nissan but un/fortunately its the Skoda Rapid which takes the cake for now and is surely poised to become the market leader in this segment/era of diesel cars...

sameern.85 · 13th December 2011, 17:24

I think that it's priced almost high by 70k.
85 hp is a disappointment. Even the Manza Diesel pumps out 90hp from the 1.3 MJD
Nissan really could have done a better job.
I think now the 1.5 K9K engine will soon join the league of 1.3 MJD as it is now doing duty in Micra, Verito, Fluence and Sunny.
Looks are questionable and may not be liked by everyone.
Regards,

askids · 13th December 2011, 17:51

Given that the petrol variant's prices are supposed to go up by 2% in Jan, thats around 14-15k for XL/XV variants. Since the diesel variant is getting launched in this month, I dont think its prices will go up. So that means your diesel variant will be around @ 95k premium over the petrol variant.

I think it would make sense to go with a XL variant as it has most of the features. Things that you will miss - push start engine button, Alloy and R15 tyres, fog lamps, electric folding outside mirror, B-piller blackout. Aftermarket alloys, good R15 tyres and fog lamps would cost around 30-40K. So a cool saving of 50-60k on road price.

tsk1979 · 13th December 2011, 18:50

Price would have been okay if they had gotten the 110bhp state of tune diesel engine.
with the 85 bhp, peoples perception will be of the lower C segment.

That said, the engine should have good lugging power, and be a delight to drive in city. Inside space is their USP, and that should get them quite a few sales.

Now if only they got a bit more gung ho on new dealerships.

Their current dealerships paint a sorry picture, esp since after 4-5 phone calls they were unable to get a micra diesel for TD for us in LDH.

Kind of leaves a bad taste in the mouth,

sahakar · 13th December 2011, 20:21

10 lakhs OTR in Mumbai is definitely overpriced for the Sunny. Heck right now the Aria Pure is available for 11 lakhs and change OTR.

Cheers

k2max6 · 13th December 2011, 20:52

Manza Aura ABS 7,13,819
Nissan Sunny 7,98,000
Maruti Suzuki SX4 8,09,079
Linea Emotion 1.3MJD 8,33,476
Vento Trendline 8,36,146
Skoda Rapid Ambition 8,38,456
Verna CRDi 1.6 8,89,000

A lot of better options with much powerful engines are available in a max range of 90k. I won't even consider the sunny even if on a budget,instead the lower kitted Verna 1.4 would make more sense to me.

At this price with Poor Sales & Service Network would only attract a few buyers.

Prices Ex-Showroom Delhi

swiftnfurious · 13th December 2011, 21:12

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Originally Posted by k2max6

Manza Aura ABS 7,13,819
Nissan Sunny 7,98,000
Maruti Suzuki SX4 8,09,079
Linea Emotion 1.3MJD 8,33,476
Vento Trendline 8,36,146
Skoda Rapid Ambition 8,38,456
Verna CRDi 1.6 8,89,000

A lot of better options with much powerful engines are available in a max range of 90k. I won't even consider the sunny even if on a budget,instead the lower kitted Verna 1.4 would make more sense to me.Prices Ex-Showroom Delhi

Somehow the comparo doesn't strike a chord to me. How did you select these variants? To me some of the prices are of the base variants & some are NOT base variants [Verna, Linea etc]? Or is it based on the features available ?

Edit:: I know SX4 VDi does NOT come with ABS, Airbags, Auto A/C etc, and the price you mentioned look like that of a VDi. Sunny diesel base variant scores better on features than a SX4 VDi at a lower price point.

CoolFire · 13th December 2011, 21:31

It seems lot of us were driven by the variation in Petrol and Diesel Micras and extrapolated that to Nissan variants. One BIG difference is that Diesel Micra loses the most important safety features viz. ABS, EBD and passenger air bag.

Considering this, the price difference is not at all huge, maybe by 20-30k max. With the quality and reliability Nissan is known for, I do think Nissan Diesel will sell around 2000 units a month.

patil · 13th December 2011, 21:42

What is the ground clearence of the Sunny? And will it be able to take bad roads as easily as the Manza, Dezire and SX4 can take. Moreover the price of the diesel variant is not as mouth watering as the petrol variant is. So for many the base petrol variant makes more sense than the base diesel. Even the petrol base variant comes with all the safety features execept the passenger airbag. So for the chauffer driven person the passenger airbag hardly matters and is of no use. So the experts please do the math and clarify.

13th December 2011, 14:21	#46
Caramba BHPian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Bangalore Posts: 135 Thanked: 137 Times	Re: Nissan Sunny DIESEL launched @ 7.98 Lakhs Looking at the reaction to the price I think I am missing something I do not believe the price is all that bad. While I appreciate they have limited services centres, brand visibility etc, their quality of cars is pretty good. Added to that it is feature rich, exteremely spacious and they have no skimped on the ABS, EBD across the variants. I hope it does well.
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13th December 2011, 14:51	#47
scooby05 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,145 Thanked: 192 Times	Re: Nissan Sunny DIESEL launched @ 7.98 Lakhs The Sunny in Diesel is exclusive to India only. Does it mean they are exploiting our preference for diesels. Is the chassis and suspension strong enough to take the diesel motor with our roads and driving loads?
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13th December 2011, 15:17	#49
sumeshmani BHPian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: bangalore Posts: 478 Thanked: 111 Times	Re: Nissan Sunny DIESEL launched @ 7.98 Lakhs Finally, the diesel gets launched, an event that was so eagerly awaited. Popular belief was that the diesel will be priced 75-80K more than the petrol, the actual cost does seem a little high. At least this trend was not seen in the Micra. I hope they have improved the highway manners of the car (review of the petrol deemed it as a good city car). If they have, then the price might feel acceptable at the end of a test drive. Glad to see that the diesel did not drop features available in the same level petrol. I guess on-road price in Bangalore for top end will be around 10.6L (only approximation). Please do not take any point personally, it's only my view Can't wait for the official review... Last edited by sumeshmani : 13th December 2011 at 15:30.
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13th December 2011, 15:57	#50
Caramelo BHPian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: ahmedabad Posts: 769 Thanked: 16 Times	Re: Nissan Sunny DIESEL launched @ 7.98 Lakhs pricing seems a bit off! yes we have 10 lac rupees diesel sedans in the C segment. but looking at the nissan sunny, the overall package should undercut the C segment! at least by a few thousands to justify itself. i don't think the pricing is because of the cost. i think they wan't to milk it as much as its possible, hit the hammer when the metal is red hot, and then boom drop the price of give humongous discounts. Last edited by Caramelo : 13th December 2011 at 15:59.
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13th December 2011, 16:22	#51
Autocop BHPian Join Date: May 2008 Location: Thane/Nagpur Posts: 322 Thanked: 94 Times	Re: Nissan Sunny DIESEL launched @ 7.98 Lakhs Ranault-Nissan had poorly priced/positioned Logan (sedan launched in joint venture with Mahindra). Now they have entered fresh into the market with new models (Micra, Sunny, Koleos). The big question is, are they offering VFM products now or they continue to generate the feeling of selling over-priced cars? 1. Comparing Sunny against a Verito (earlier Logan) or a ETIOS, both these models are in same segement? or Sunny belongs to higher to segment? and either ways, why? 2. If Tata, Maruti and Fiat can sell same engines in different state of tunes in a Hatchback (Vista/Swift/Punto) and Sedan (Manza/SX4/Linea), what's wrong with Renault-Nissan doing the same as long as they package/price it competitively for the segement where Sunny belongs? 3. Diesel Launch is a big milestone which many customers prefer these days. They need to market their product (and especially Diesel Launch in particular) well to create awareness. 4. Of course they need to build wider sales and service in long-term to be successful.
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13th December 2011, 17:23	#52
dkaile Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2011 Location: Meerut, India Posts: 3,393 Thanked: 7,854 Times View My Garage	Re: Nissan Sunny DIESEL launched @ 7.98 Lakhs A rational launch by Nissan but un/fortunately its the Skoda Rapid which takes the cake for now and is surely poised to become the market leader in this segment/era of diesel cars...
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13th December 2011, 17:24	#53
sameern.85 BHPian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Mumbai Posts: 84 Thanked: 3 Times	Re: Nissan Sunny DIESEL launched @ 7.98 Lakhs I think that it's priced almost high by 70k. 85 hp is a disappointment. Even the Manza Diesel pumps out 90hp from the 1.3 MJD Nissan really could have done a better job. I think now the 1.5 K9K engine will soon join the league of 1.3 MJD as it is now doing duty in Micra, Verito, Fluence and Sunny. Looks are questionable and may not be liked by everyone. Regards,
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13th December 2011, 17:51	#54
askids BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mysore Posts: 73 Thanked: 3 Times	Re: Nissan Sunny DIESEL launched @ 7.98 Lakhs Given that the petrol variant's prices are supposed to go up by 2% in Jan, thats around 14-15k for XL/XV variants. Since the diesel variant is getting launched in this month, I dont think its prices will go up. So that means your diesel variant will be around @ 95k premium over the petrol variant. I think it would make sense to go with a XL variant as it has most of the features. Things that you will miss - push start engine button, Alloy and R15 tyres, fog lamps, electric folding outside mirror, B-piller blackout. Aftermarket alloys, good R15 tyres and fog lamps would cost around 30-40K. So a cool saving of 50-60k on road price.
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13th December 2011, 18:50	#55
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,820 Times View My Garage	Re: Nissan Sunny DIESEL launched @ 7.98 Lakhs Price would have been okay if they had gotten the 110bhp state of tune diesel engine. with the 85 bhp, peoples perception will be of the lower C segment. That said, the engine should have good lugging power, and be a delight to drive in city. Inside space is their USP, and that should get them quite a few sales. Now if only they got a bit more gung ho on new dealerships. Their current dealerships paint a sorry picture, esp since after 4-5 phone calls they were unable to get a micra diesel for TD for us in LDH. Kind of leaves a bad taste in the mouth,
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13th December 2011, 20:21	#56
sahakar BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: LA <--> Bombay Posts: 473 Thanked: 213 Times	Re: Nissan Sunny DIESEL launched @ 7.98 Lakhs 10 lakhs OTR in Mumbai is definitely overpriced for the Sunny. Heck right now the Aria Pure is available for 11 lakhs and change OTR. Cheers
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13th December 2011, 20:52	#57
k2max6 BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 523 Thanked: 183 Times	Re: Nissan Sunny DIESEL launched @ 7.98 Lakhs Manza Aura ABS 7,13,819 Nissan Sunny 7,98,000 Maruti Suzuki SX4 8,09,079 Linea Emotion 1.3MJD 8,33,476 Vento Trendline 8,36,146 Skoda Rapid Ambition 8,38,456 Verna CRDi 1.6 8,89,000 A lot of better options with much powerful engines are available in a max range of 90k. I won't even consider the sunny even if on a budget,instead the lower kitted Verna 1.4 would make more sense to me. At this price with Poor Sales & Service Network would only attract a few buyers. Prices Ex-Showroom Delhi Last edited by k2max6 : 13th December 2011 at 20:56.
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13th December 2011, 21:31	#59
CoolFire BHPian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Tsr, Kerala Posts: 386 Thanked: 575 Times	Re: Nissan Sunny DIESEL launched @ 7.98 Lakhs It seems lot of us were driven by the variation in Petrol and Diesel Micras and extrapolated that to Nissan variants. One BIG difference is that Diesel Micra loses the most important safety features viz. ABS, EBD and passenger air bag. Considering this, the price difference is not at all huge, maybe by 20-30k max. With the quality and reliability Nissan is known for, I do think Nissan Diesel will sell around 2000 units a month.
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13th December 2011, 21:42	#60
patil BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Shorapur Posts: 353 Thanked: 66 Times	Re: Nissan Sunny DIESEL launched @ 7.98 Lakhs What is the ground clearence of the Sunny? And will it be able to take bad roads as easily as the Manza, Dezire and SX4 can take. Moreover the price of the diesel variant is not as mouth watering as the petrol variant is. So for many the base petrol variant makes more sense than the base diesel. Even the petrol base variant comes with all the safety features execept the passenger airbag. So for the chauffer driven person the passenger airbag hardly matters and is of no use. So the experts please do the math and clarify.
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