[RavenAvi]

Originally Posted by adimicra

No cut on features.
Jazz Base version dropped from 8.63 to 6.75L OTR
Jazz Select version dropped from 8.73L to 6.9L OTR.

Thats a whooping 2L discount on the OTR price.

My God...

And here I was, staring disbelievingly at my Nokia after finishing the call with the ASM of Shubh Honda, who called me about 3 hours ago, saying that the price of Jazz Select will be 5.99L ex-showroom, and it could be mine at 6.7L OTR!!

I asked him to repeat it twice, because I couldn't believe my ears!

Did they compromise on the model? "No sir, it is the same Select which you TDed at our showroom last week."

No features taken off? "No sir, all are same. Alloys, OEM seats, etc. all are the same features of Jazz."

Date of manufacture? "Most probably March-May, sir. We are expecting a delivery of 20 Jazzes in bulk by 2-3 days. I can tell you which lot they are from, then."

Is the company phasing out Jazz? "I don't think so, sir. Our Sr Manager has just returned from a Honda business review meeting in Mumbai and he said no such thing was discussed there. Although they did mention the price drop, which I had told you was imminent before July-end."

Wow...wow...WOW!!!

Too good to be true...this is too good to be TRUE!

[Poitive]

Originally Posted by Reinhard

Honestly, that is a big goof up. If they are not making any downgrades in the car, and going to sell the existing Jazz as it is, at price lower by as much as 2L, its a big mistake.

1. They are practically accepting they were simply cheating all these years when selling the car at such a high price.

Well, you may want to call it big profits. Cheating would be if they said one thing and sold another.

Reducing prices as the model gets old and goes through it's product cycle only seems reasonable. This one, for sure if pretty drastic and sudden. When a car is introduced it has novelty value and can command a premium. When old, one can be seen to have gone down, as the die costs etc could be seen at a depreciated value.

Why car companies often don't reduce car prices is because they are concerned about the resale value of old cars. If cars hold value the company gets a good reputation. That in turn makes the car sell better. Honda is known to have used this to good effect.

Now when Honda itself does this, it is understandable to feel cheated.

PS: GM seems to work on the reverse logic. Case in point - Optra.

[SPARKled]

Wow if this is indeed true, all the other petrol hatches are in for a tough time. The Jazz is the best car in the price its going to be available at without a doubt. Honda are back!!

[mdsaab]

Originally Posted by adimicra

Just now spoke to the Honda dealer, the news is true.

Jazz Select price has been dropped from 8.7 Lakhs to 7Lakhs OTR.

That is a 1.7 Lakhs discount.

Now, it is priced lower than the Polo highline.
The Sales person was pretty confident that the car will not be discontinued but he is unable to give a good explanation for the price cut.

Only one doubt - why is Honda not officially disclosing the price cut like City?
time for some more

That's a whooping discount indeed. I was offered only 7.40 Lakhs OTR last week.

Originally Posted by manojmis

Is the Honda City price cut + 75k discount confirmed?

Price cut plus 75K no i don't think so. Price cut plus free accessories. YES!

Originally Posted by adimicra

No cut on features.
Jazz Base version dropped from 8.63 to 6.75L OTR
Jazz Select version dropped from 8.73L to 6.9L OTR.

Thats a whooping 2L discount on the OTR price.
Time for some more

Is this the stock market? the price seems to be dropping every few minutes. I was seriously considering one, and now i am even more serious.

[libranof1987]

We are all speculating here about why the price-cut and what would be the consequences; but Honda has started making customers.

The one thing wrong with the Jazz : price is now down by ~1.7 lakhs; all those who were mighty tempted by Jazz but couldn't get it and even those who were looking at options like i20 etc. will now flood to Jazz.

Agree this is bound to put off a LOT of the existing customers but that's just how it is played. Survival of the fittest.

Just as how the X variant is reportedly being discontinued, I'm sure Honda has plans with other variants too (feature cut etc.).

Hope for the best!

Originally Posted by mdsaab

I was seriously considering one, and now i am even more serious.

Ever considered a Honda dealership, mdsaab?

PS : The Honda website still lists Jazz X.
Prices on the website are the old ones : (ex-showroom, B'lore)
Jazz - 7,39,000
Select - 7,50,900
X - 7,82,900

[sahakar]

Originally Posted by mdsaab

That's a whooping discount indeed. I was offered only 7.40 Lakhs OTR last week.

Is this the stock market? the price seems to be dropping every few minutes. I was seriously considering one, and now i am even more serious.

Its indeed the stock market. Plus Honda is also panicking.

Jazz should always have been around this price line when it launched.

This increases my confusion on which car to get. Jazz too brought into the mix due to this decrease.

Decision time now !!!

If you do visit the showroom this week, do let us know what is the final offer you are able to wrangle out of Honda Jazz and while you are there even the City

Cheers

[mdsaab]

Ok so here goes the price for the jazz select.
6.52 OTR Pune
Unbelievable isn't it!?!
Now more than ever i am thinking of plonking on one.
only wife to give the nod.
wish me luck.
Plus a few accessories free.
teflon coating, body cover etc etc.

[libranof1987]

Originally Posted by mdsaab

Ok so here goes the price for the jazz select.
6.52 OTR Pune
Unbelievable isn't it!?!
Now more than ever i am thinking of plonking on one.
only wife to give the nod.
wish me luck.
Plus a few accessories free.
teflon coating, body cover etc etc.

Hello mdsaab, hope you do get the Jazz and get the best deal!

I'm just hoping there is no feature cut on any of the models.

Is Jazz X discontinued? the Honda website still lists it.

PS : Only the Accord and CRV left from the Honda stable now!

[mdsaab]

Originally Posted by libranof1987

Hello mdsaab, hope you do get the Jazz and get the best deal!

I'm just hoping there is no feature cut on any of the models.

Is Jazz X discontinued? the Honda website still lists it.

PS : Only the Accord and CRV left from the Honda stable now!

Thanks mate.
From what i have heard these are examples which were lying with Honda and are now at the dealer stockyards.
Jazz X according to my sales rep is now discontinued. He offered me one example in red. But when i spoke to him yesterday he said that it was probably sold. though that was going at a discount too, it would not be as delicious as the ones offered on the select.

Now i asked him for which colors are available and he said he has only silver and red in stock. So i said if i wanted one in blue was it possible to order?
He said that Honda has only 3 colors in stock.
1. White
2. Silver
3. Red

and that one would have to choose between these three colors only.
So it does seem like something is cooking up at Honda, are they planning a facelift or a feature cut model? it's as good as anyone's guess.
But one thing for sure, Honda is taking the fight to Toyota's door and How.
When the Etios was launched. The city prices reduced. when the Liva was launched the Jazz reduced. Though they are not form the same segments Honda has decided to make their lineup more competitive.
And i feel rightly so, as the Brio is still quite a while away.

Speaking about the Accord and CRV, I would have to own a pump first

[sahakar]

Originally Posted by mdsaab

Thanks mate.
From what i have heard these are examples which were lying with Honda and are now at the dealer stockyards.
Jazz X according to my sales rep is now discontinued. He offered me one example in red. But when i spoke to him yesterday he said that it was probably sold. though that was going at a discount too, it would not be as delicious as the ones offered on the select.

Now i asked him for which colors are available and he said he has only silver and red in stock. So i said if i wanted one in blue was it possible to order?
He said that Honda has only 3 colors in stock.
1. White
2. Silver
3. Red

and that one would have to choose between these three colors only.
So it does seem like something is cooking up at Honda, are they planning a facelift or a feature cut model? it's as good as anyone's guess.
But one thing for sure, Honda is taking the fight to Toyota's door and How.
When the Etios was launched. The city prices reduced. when the Liva was launched the Jazz reduced. Though they are not form the same segments Honda has decided to make their lineup more competitive.
And i feel rightly so, as the Brio is still quite a while away.

Speaking about the Accord and CRV, I would have to own a pump first

As almost everybody is speculating, the new Jazz (maybe minor face lift) is to be unveiled in a few days. Unless you really like the Jazz, I would still caution on buying in a clearance sale. Let it be a heart + mind deal and not a heart deal. I am sure lots more new cars coming up in the 6 to 7 lakh bracket.

Cheers

[spadix]

Originally Posted by libranof1987

PS : Only the Accord and CRV left from the Honda stable now!

And the Civic too.

When I visited the showroom yesterday I asked if there was any price cut announced on the Civic, and there's none so far. This is a car badly in need of a price cut. The Cruze is really eating into Civic sales volumes. (The Corolla D isn't that great, and the Corolla petrol and Civic are competitive w.r.t. each other already.)

Moreover, the Civic was at least a couple of lakhs cheaper variant for variant when it was launched, with no change in features net-net over the past 5 years. In fact, the S has become better now. So it's high time for the Civic to go back to "launch" prices, just like the City did.

Regards,
spadix

[RavenAvi]

Originally Posted by libranof1987

I'm just hoping there is no feature cut on any of the models.

Is Jazz X discontinued? the Honda website still lists it.

No feature cuts in the existing models. The facelift is supposed to have some cuts, and some added features, depending on the variant.

Yes, Jazz X has been officially discontinued since March 2011.

Originally Posted by mdsaab

Ok so here goes the price for the jazz select.
6.52 OTR Pune
Unbelievable isn't it!?!
Now more than ever i am thinking of plonking on one.
only wife to give the nod.
wish me luck.
Plus a few accessories free.
teflon coating, body cover etc etc.

Originally Posted by mdsaab

From what i have heard these are examples which were lying with Honda and are now at the dealer stockyards.

Now i asked him for which colors are available and he said he has only silver and red in stock. So i said if i wanted one in blue was it possible to order?
He said that Honda has only 3 colors in stock.
1. White
2. Silver
3. Red

and that one would have to choose between these three colors only.
So it does seem like something is cooking up at Honda, are they planning a facelift or a feature cut model? it's as good as anyone's guess.
But one thing for sure, Honda is taking the fight to Toyota's door and How.
When the Etios was launched. The city prices reduced. when the Liva was launched the Jazz reduced. Though they are not form the same segments Honda has decided to make their lineup more competitive.
And i feel rightly so, as the Brio is still quite a while away.

There were very few Jazz X models left with the dealers when Honda decided this "Cash Discount" two days back. The Base and the Select variants were more in number, and the White, Silver and the Red colors were the most left in their stockyards.

It was definitely a planned move - the ASM of my area told me that all ASMs all over India were called for a sudden and prompt business meeting in Mumbai in the first week of July, and this move came right after they had returned to their respective HQs.

And this, coming on the heels of the Liva launch, was definitely smart thinking by Honda. (I pointed this out in the "Honda slashes prices of the Jazz as well?" thread yesterday)

Originally Posted by sahakar

As almost everybody is speculating, the new Jazz (maybe minor face lift) is to be unveiled in a few days. Unless you really like the Jazz, I would still caution on buying in a clearance sale. Let it be a heart + mind deal and not a heart deal. I am sure lots more new cars coming up in the 6 to 7 lakh bracket.

The 4 Jazzes left with my area dealer - 2 Base, 2 Select - were 1 Red, 1 Silver and 2 White. All have been sold as of today morning.

As per my information which I got from a colleague, only 1 White Select model was Feb 2011, the rest were Nov/Dec 2010. So I am glad I didn't rush into my decision within these past 3 days.

As tempting as this offer sounds, it would be wise to wait for the facelift -

1 - The facelift will be on newer models, and will have a life of at least 2 years.

2 - After the Japan tsunami, Honda has started producing and sourcing parts from Indian manufacturers. Localisation will be slightly more than the older Jazz. Prices will definitely be cheaper than existing rates, maybe a bit more than the "Cash Discount" prices at the moment.

3 - More features, specially in the top-end variant, which should be priced at the range of Polo 1.6, making it a better option. (even if it's the 1.2 iVTEC)

Final decision rests with you, mdsaab. But please think it over at least once before you take it.

[Poitive]

Originally Posted by RavenAvi

2 - After the Japan tsunami, Honda has started producing and sourcing parts from Indian manufacturers. Localisation will be slightly more than the older Jazz. Prices will definitely be cheaper than existing rates, maybe a bit more than the "Cash Discount" prices at the moment.

That may be a reason to go for the current model than the facelift. Japanese parts instead of locally made ones sounds more attractive. Also, if and when a replacement is needed, one may often have a choice of using the Japanese or Indian parts.

[RavenAvi]

Originally Posted by Poitive

That may be a reason to go for the current model than the facelift. Japanese parts instead of locally made ones sounds more attractive. Also, if and when a replacement is needed, one may often have a choice of using the Japanese or Indian parts.

True. And it would be a great buy if the model is 2011 manufactured.

But if they are stuck with 2010 models in their stockyards (like my local Honda dealer), it would be wise to avoid them, purely for one main reason that they are certifiably a year old already (even if they are Dec 2010 models). Not to mention, they might be TD cars too.

Slightly OT: Experts are of the opinion that Japan might take a year or even more to get back together. I am sure Honda discussed it in their meetings in-between, before starting to look for Indian parts and replacements. Yes, they may not be as good as their Japanese counterparts but I am sure Honda, being Honda, would have not compromised on their quality and longevity. The reduction in cost comes more from the savings in import duties, IMO, than the "Made in India" tag.

[Poitive]

Originally Posted by RavenAvi

But if they are stuck with 2010 models in their stockyards (like my local Honda dealer), it would be wise to avoid them, purely for one main reason that they are certifiably a year old already (even if they are Dec 2010 models). Not to mention, they might be TD cars too.

+1
7 month old vehicles are to be avoided, regardless of the resale/model. 3-4 month old Lineas of 2010 were available upto 1L lesser. Possibly TD vehicles. I didn't inquire as I wasn't interested anyway.

Slightly OT: Experts are of the opinion that Japan might take a year or even more to get back together. I am sure Honda discussed it in their meetings in-between, before starting to look for Indian parts and replacements. Yes, they may not be as good as their Japanese counterparts but I am sure Honda, being Honda, would have not compromised on their quality and longevity. The reduction in cost comes more from the savings in import duties, IMO, than the "Made in India" tag.

Wasn't at all OT Raven . About the parts being of similar quality - I hope so, but somehow feel a lot safer with Japanese parts. Maybe it comes from Suzuki engine (and car) days in Marutis, which lasted forever - almost Honda like ownerships from the Marutis. But yes, that is an old perception.