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21st December 2011, 22:59 | #76 | |
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Check this out my dear friend. https://picasaweb.google.com/1149574...NqeremR7u37fQ# Note:- Just to add, knowing about this meet in Chennai, Someone from Fiat, Pune asked the VST Motors(TATA-FIAT dealer in Chennai) to send a TD car to the meet venue . Last edited by rameshnanda : 21st December 2011 at 23:03. | |
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22nd December 2011, 00:26 | #77 | ||
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Infact, Palio is still my favourite car, even Punto was, but its the Initial Niggles & Poor Plastics in Initially batches of Punto which've turned down the FIAT enthusiast in me, afterall I'm not amongst the Herd mentality type of FIAT fans or any other brand basher as I can perceive & judge that what's the best and what's not ! I love quality, finesse & Practicality, till FIAT had all these I appreciated it & the prime example of this was FIAT Palio initially, which Sachin Tendulkar promoted. Since, FIAT India has changed its priorities(upto some extent) now, So it made myself to change. Since March11, I was planning to buy a Diesel hatchback within budget range of 5.5-7 lacs & Oct11 was deadline for that. Checked each & every hatchback available in India in this budget & even above/below this budget but None of them made into final decision process. After much of thinking & fluctuating mind we booked a New Swift ZDi on 18th of July11 with a quoted waiting period till Jan-end2012. Even afterthat, Test Driven the same cars again & again including Punto75EP & 90EP, but anyhow due to lack of 'Feel Good factor' & doubtful AfSS backed off near Diwali. This is how a one of a True FIAT fan got dishearted & got the need to opt for another brand. Do you think a Cup of Coffee can make a difference here ! Though I've quoted your post Mr.Ramesh, but its not intended personally & This time I'm expecting a heartly comments here, from a 'FIAT fan' to 'disheartened FIAT fan'. | ||
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22nd December 2011, 03:20 | #78 | ||
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| re: Fiat Caffe site :-) - EDIT: Now open in Delhi! I think @PhX is raising some very valid points, and instead of jumping at his throat, this might be an opportunity to have a healthy discussion. Perfect first question. Let's look at what Fiat is up against first:
Fiat tied up with Tata when their reputation was in tatters. Like it or hate it, the Tata brand earned them the crucial "we won't leave India tomorrow like Peugeot" trust. That and the fact that the Vista and Manza used Fiat engines. Now, after a few years, with Tata's service and showroom reputation impacting Fiat negatively, the time was ripe (in fact a little too late in my opinion) to do something.
If I were in the market to buy a car, and was willing to consider a Fiat, I would absolutely prefer going to a Fiat Cafe than a Tata-Fiat dealership. In fact, if I can check out a car to my content without being hounded in a dealership (but have people around to ask if need be), I'd love it. Quote:
What would be really interesting is if these non-enthusiasts bump into the enthusiasts while they are in the Cafe. For Fiat, the enthusiasts are their biggest asset, and people tend to trust real owners rather than showroom personnel. So consider the difference, in a showroom, everyone's a could-be-buyer (owners are in a waiting room/service area), in a cafe, there might be a mix of owners AND could-be-buyers. Do you think that this might be a good thing? Quote:
Overall, the Cafe idea seems worth a shot to me. Create a great space (that's different from a showroom), have a few really well trained staff on hand (shouldn't be overbearing, just be available whenever there's a question) and show off the cars in the best possible light. Last edited by Amartya : 22nd December 2011 at 12:51. | ||
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22nd December 2011, 08:54 | #79 | |
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I wish Fiat take more initiatives to clear off the image it currently has in the market and make general public also buy Fiats. OT:- I would still suggest you to consider the 90HP rather than the zdi. A humble suggestion from a fan of Fiat . | |
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Amartya , a perfect analysis and I agree to it in total. Cafe is an excellent effort to change the non-owners perception of Fiat cars. Whether is pays off or not , only time can tell. But I sure see this move as a positive one from Fiat, and gives a hope to owners like us that Fiat is here for a long time. |
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22nd December 2011, 12:17 | #81 | |
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Had VW/Chevy/Ford/BMW started something like that, I would have been first in queue though I do not personally like or hate such brands. And I know many who would have joined me. E.g. There is a biking theme based cafe called as Roadtrip in indira nagar which has a very small set of menu and is highly overpriced. Still it is interesting to check the amount of crowd it attracts despite of joints like CCD, Barsita, Costa's in within a vicinity of 2 kms. Its full of bikers over the weekend. Question is not about the food, its about the atmosphere and the crowd mindset. I personally don't know any place in Bangalore which has a car theme which attracts only car enthusiasts for chit-chats. Lets wait and watch how many tbhp get together happens in Fiat caffe once it starts in Bangalore.. Once people start coming in (just to have coffee) they will at least get to know the brand Fiat. Right now no-one cares to even drop a visit to their showroom (it does not deserve a visit also LOL) .. They can at least get their CRM working. Last edited by Speed Pujari : 22nd December 2011 at 12:23. | |
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22nd December 2011, 12:31 | #83 | |
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On the contrary, not many Hyundai/Maruti owners are so much active online. I see very less number of problems reported (though a lot exist). My father-in-law's brand new Santro had its Gear box failure on the second day of delivery. This was 3 years back. This news never came online since my FIL is not an active online user. My friends 'soft-city' driven Swift VXi's suspension has become an iron rod at an age of 41K kms and the car rattle like snake .. My Palio is 89k still going strong. My Linea's rattling armrest was doing rounds online though !.. My thread must have hushed away at least 10 prospective Fiat customers. Last edited by Speed Pujari : 22nd December 2011 at 12:49. | |
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22nd December 2011, 12:38 | #84 |
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| re: Fiat Caffe site :-) - EDIT: Now open in Delhi! I Agree ^^ My friend's Skoda had a non-functional speedo on delivary... This had not come out in any forum since he is not a member. Well folks like to criticize failing points of Fiat cars but not a peep from anybody when appreciating good points in it. They even have a problem when Fiat tries something to change their perceptions. |
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| re: Fiat Caffe site :-) - EDIT: Now open in Delhi! Agree, the more number of users who regularly come online, the more number of issues would be reported. And whether others believe it or not, most FIAT'ians are actually enthusiasts and hence the number of active members would also be more, comparatively. When I was contemplating between the Punto & i20, the Punto was found to be more "reliable". I dont count poor fitting of plastics or gap in glovebox as a big issue, they are just an irritant. Secondly, its sad to see such a nice concept being bashed in this way. I personally feel some members have a grudge against the brand in particular & hence such a negative approach towards this cafe. If the same concept was started by Honda or Toyota, it would have been applauded to no limits, by the very same members. SAD... |
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Your premise assumes that people who enter the cafe/showroom are potential buyers. If the point of a cafe is to be, sorry for using this term, a "glorified cafe", that that's something that could make sense. Like you said, an owner saying good things about the car obviously weighs more than a salesperson saying good things about it. Quote:
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But my question is ... if they want to only attract Fiat enthusiasts, that's not going to affect their sales, because these people already know and love Fiat. Then the whole point of using a cafe kind of setting to increase sales goes down the drain. Amartya's point makes sense where they would try to attract current owners/enthusiasts as well as could-be buyers in a showroom-cum-coffee shop setting. A coffee shop on its own without exposure to the cars or without any efforts to promote the cars is questionable. Quote:
What purpose does it serve to any bike brand, though? Is it associated with Harley Davidson or any other premier bike brand? Fiat Cafe is associated with Fiat. The question then comes back -- do you want to sell coffee or do you want to sell cars through these cafes? As has been pointed out repeatedly, Fiat apparently is not in India to survive by selling coffee. Quote:
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22nd December 2011, 13:38 | #87 |
Senior - BHPian | re: Fiat Caffe site :-) - EDIT: Now open in Delhi! One thing is sure, you can love FIAT, you can hate FIAT, but you just CANNOT ignore FIAT. I always wonder, why so many people start bashing up the brand even before getting into the matter. Its really sad to see every FIAT thread becomes a bashing ground. Just go over the official XUV thread and you would come to know the issues owners are facing in a 2-3 months old car (That too a good 12-14L car). If you can not appreciate anything about FIAT, please at least don't start bashing up the concept. Let it settle down and then have a healthy debate on that. |
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I think a satellite showroom (under the guise of a cafe) can do a really good job in showcasing the top-end models of each car. So a potential customer walks in, checks out the top of the line model and decides it makes sense to take the car for a spin. There are two things (or a mix of both) that the Cafe can do: a. Have test-drive cars parked outside. b. Ask these potential to wait for a bit, while they can get the nearest mother-ship (bigger dealership) send a car. In the mean time, the customer can ask for further information about the car (to a salesperson) or just have a cup of coffee and if he's lucky (and he wants to) talk to current owners. Quote:
These cafes will hopefully be in prime locations, where it's nearly impossible to have a dealership. With carefully planned locations, people walking by would notice that there's this odd caffe that's run by Fiat! Now, if you are thinking about buying a car, and you are pretty sure that you don't want a Fiat; even then, just out of curiosity you might step into a caffe. That's mainly because you didn't really have to go to the showroom, the showroom came to you, or close to you. Other brands, like VW, Skoda do have satellite showrooms, but I am of the opinion that this is intriguing -though small - change can get more people to at least see the cars initially in a positive light. Quote:
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22nd December 2011, 15:10 | #89 |
BHPian | re: Fiat Caffe site :-) - EDIT: Now open in Delhi! Apart from all the discussion going on here healthy or injurious, I have noticed something unique about Fiat. Let is be first proven Diesel hatch, to powerful hatch, to sports tuned hatch, to affordable turbocharged sedan, to feature packed cars, Fiat has always been a trend setter, pioneer and unique. (note that Palio has unique problems also). They have always set a benchmark for others to follow but they have themselves never followed others. I actually like companies who are innovators. So this time this uniqueness is in the form of this caffe. Even today if I see, their lineup is unique. Hate it or like it, it is unique!. |
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22nd December 2011, 15:32 | #90 | |
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When Maruti or a Hyundai finds such issues say when they sell around 50K cars in a month. IMHO Fiat selling 1000cars a month should do better than that and I think that is also a factor why Fiat's performance gets highlighted. It is not just the perception of a bad service but it is also niggles that come up which is going against a FIAT. I have heard this opinion from many FIAT fans "Car is good but buy it only if you put up with the small troubles then and now and also not so good ***" I might go to a FIAT caffe (if it opened here just out of curiosity). I like the concept now I want to know how much ROI it gives. Last edited by figo_mba : 22nd December 2011 at 15:38. | |
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