[HKS]

Just saw this link: http://www.cardekho.com/india-car-ne...-that-9357.htm

It states India could also get the diesel automatic. China has got the same engine and auto. So, auto+ diesel + sub 4-metre means it could be cheaper than Duster?

[84.monsoon]

Originally Posted by HKS

Just saw this link: http://www.cardekho.com/india-car-ne...-that-9357.htm

It states India could also get the diesel automatic. China has got the same engine and auto. So, auto+ diesel + sub 4-metre means it could be cheaper than Duster?

I with this were true, doubt this news very much. China is Petrol market, I have hardly seen any Diesel cars there. Please read a report in Chinese media dated a couple of weeks ago (Nov 21) announcing the launch of the Ecosport. It is being released with a 108 HP engine, but that is the same Petrol engine from the Fiesta here in India, not a Diesel. The article does have some useful specs and other information.

http://chinaautoweb.com/2012/11/chan...port-mini-suv/

[agambhandari]

Just looked at Ford's China Website . There is no Diesel Automatic , as was speculated.
Also another point to note is that the EcoBoost has not been coupled to the PowerShift Transmission. Does that mean we will get an Automatic with a larger petrol engine.(i hope not, the price due to higher excise duty will kill the AT even before launch ).
The People of China are getting some great kit on the EcoSport. Sunroof, 6 Airbags, Leather Seats, Hill Start Assist, Traction Control, the Works! Hope that most of this also manages to reach India.
ANother interesting point is that while we know the Ground Clearance of the EcoSport to be 200mm(according to Ford India Website), the Chinese website mentions the Full load ground clearance at only 172 mm

For more information, Visit the the Ford China EcoSport website(Translated by Google)

[sharninder]

When is the Ecosport launching in China? They have announced all the features and trims already and looking at that, they seem to have atleast four 1.5 petrol trims and 1 ecoboost. I have a feeling, this is almost exactly what we will get. Add to that the 2 or 3 diesel trims and Ford has a very nice and long lineup to play the pricing game.

As someone else on the forum mentioned, the 1.5 ltr is actually a 1497 ltr engine and Ford should get subsidy on that also. Ford can position that as the model that will get the customers in the showrooms with an attractive catchline, Starts at 5.99 lakhs, and keep the Ecoboost for the higher variants.

I guess Ford can play this card right from 5.99 lakhs for base petrol to about 12 lakhs for the diesel top end with a 70k price difference between each model, give or take.

[agambhandari]

Originally Posted by sharninder

As someone else on the forum mentioned, the 1.5 ltr is actually a 1497 ltr engine and Ford should get subsidy on that also. Ford can position that as the model that will get the customers in the showrooms with an attractive catchline, Starts at 5.99 lakhs, and keep the Ecoboost for the higher variants.

The 1.5 ltr limit for excise benefit is for Diesel Cars only. For a petrol car, the engine must be 1.2 Ltr or less to enjoy the excise benefit.

[noopster]

Originally Posted by HKS

Just saw this link: http://www.cardekho.com/india-car-ne...-that-9357.htm

It states India could also get the diesel automatic. China has got the same engine and auto. So, auto+ diesel + sub 4-metre means it could be cheaper than Duster?

No it doesn't.

The EcoSport in India will be available with the 1.0-litre EcoBoost and 1.5-litre petrol engines and the 1.5-litre oil burner as well. The DCT will be available on the EcoSport in India, but it seems that it could come only on the petrol.

That would have been a killer proposition, though.

[sharninder]

Originally Posted by agambhandari

The 1.5 ltr limit for excise benefit is for Diesel Cars only. For a petrol car, the engine must be 1.2 Ltr or less to enjoy the excise benefit.

Aah, I didn't realise that. Thanks for pointing that out and correcting me.

[niket.dhirai]

Offlate , we are seeing a lot of adds regarding Renault Duster on prime time TV and today there was a half page add in TOI. Wonder whether this a sign of impending launch in the coming weeks of its rival ecosport. With over 3 months waiting and 5000 / month capacity , Renault feeling threatened by Eco sport Launch is giving more reason to wait for this ford beauty.

[musicmanaman]

Originally Posted by agambhandari

The 1.5 ltr limit for excise benefit is for Diesel Cars only. For a petrol car, the engine must be 1.2 Ltr or less to enjoy the excise benefit.

The Petrol will have the New 1 ltr Ecoboost engine, which Ford says is as good as 1.6 ltr to drive and this is the one I want to try and possibly buy.

[pgsagar]

Originally Posted by musicmanaman

The Petrol will have the New 1 ltr Ecoboost engine, which Ford says is as good as 1.6 ltr to drive and this is the one I want to try and possibly buy.

Me too, if it comes with double-clutch auto transmission. 1 litre being equal to 1.6 is good news indeed. No only will it be cheaper to buy, annual insurance permium will also be lowest of all cars ( premuim being least up to 1000 cc petrol).

[chinmaybaikar]

People are already on their toes waiting for the Ford's Ecosport to launch. This would be the most awaited launch of 2013. People are busy speculating prices, the features, the engine options.

But the most talked about part of this launch is the 1.0 litre Ecoboost engine. These are the direct injection turbocharged gasoline engines from Ford. The ecoboost family has engines having various displacement like the 1.0, 1.6, 2.0, 3.5, 3.7 litre. These engines are known to offer more power and torque while increasing the fuel efficiency by 20%.

The Multijet engine by Fiat is already called the our national diesel engine, but the petrolheads will never be happy with the diesel engines. So can the Ecoboost be the national petrol/petrolhead engine?

[arjab]

Nice thread.
Ford Ecoboost certainly has the potential to become win the National Petrol"Head" Engine of the Year Award, (it won the 2012 International Engine of The Year award) , but, and it is a big "but", methinks, it will have serious competition from the about to be launched Volkswagen POLO TSi, which by no means is a pretty potent powertrain and certainly not to be sneered at.

Let's wait and see who wins this Octane War !

[1100D]

The cross company agreements/tie ups/development related to the Multijet engine made it accessible to quite a few manufacturers. Coincidentally many have setups in India (Maruti, Tata,Chevrolet, Fiat).

The Ford engine on the otherhand, does not seem to have such multi company influence.

[karty_83]

I doubt if this would happen.

1) Ford will lose its novelty factor of providing fuel efficient petrol engine. This will affect their sales.

2) Will probably increase the cost of other cars sharing this engine, there by negating its savings in fuel.

[thumpingheart]

This definitely is good food for thought. At least from international speculation, it seems tha t the EcoBoost will be a cracker of an engine. I definitely think both the EcoBoost and Twin-Air from Fiat have tremendous capability to become the national engine of India. But I just feel that with so much tech and turbo charging and bringing all of the infrastructure to India will make the engine quite expensive for other companies to buy.

I think there is a better engine that can actually be the National Engine. The K12 from Suzuki. It is extremely refined, has perfect combination of power, torque as well as fuel efficiency. If I would have been the Automobile Minister of India (If there's such a thing!!) I'd make it mandatory for all manufacturers to use this engine in petrol versions of all their cars!

And because the technology is already here and being built in abundance, it will be the cheapest option. Its just that this humble engine lacks the glamour of the EcoBoost or the Twin-Air.