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| ![]() Mahindra’s "new" Legend is a basic, traditional Jeep with the MM-540/550 body. ![]() The Mahindra MM-540/550 are based on, the military 1953 Willys MD-M38A1 which was used in the USA-Korean War. The civilian CJ-5 only differed in that it had 12V electrics instead of the military 24V. It also had fixed rather than hinged headlamps. Wimpy engine The Mahindra Legend is powered by their 2,523 cc MDI 3200 direct injection turbo diesel mated to a manual gearbox and transfer case. We understand, the engine struggles to attain 100 km/hr. The noisy agricultural 2,523 cc MDI 3200 direct injection diesel barely puts out 58 bhp in the Bolero Camper. With turbo-supercharging, my guess is, it might go up to an anaemic 70 bhp. A very far cry from what a real Jeep needs. It is probably worth recollecting that until 1969, Willys Jeeps had a choice of 2 engines:
Example: Jeep's strong 4-litre 185 bhp I-6. A case in point: Our Jabalpur Armament Factory built Nissan G-60 "Jonga" had a 4-litre 110 bhp straight-six. The Legend comes with 16-inch wheels, roll bar, winch and manual steering sans power-assist. The front axle is live, but no free-wheeling hubs. They haven't got the wipers right Jeep windshields are designed to fold flat onto the bonnet. You can’t be dismantling the wipers for that! The earliest Willys had an engine vacuum powered wiper with the mechanism on the folding windshield. The designer managed to route the rubber vacuum hose, so it wouldn’t interfere with folding of the windshield. Even the humble Maruti Gypsy conforms. But, although the Mahindra Legend’s windshield is hinged to fold, like it should be, the wiper spindles are still on the body rather than on the windshield as a true-Jeep’s wipers should be! Why is Mahindra so negligent in their design? No side marker lamps The 1972 AMC-Jeep had an amber side-marker lamp on the front fender and an identical red side-marker lamp on the rear tub behind the rear-wheel arch. Mahindra had copied the amber light on the fender, but wired it to be a turn-signal indicator, rather than a side marker. Now they've gone and deleted it altogether, returning to the 1955-71 CJ-5 design. As a substitute there's a small city car-like turn signal lamp, behind the front wheel arch. Needless to say, the copying overlooked the red rear sidemarker. The MM540 and MM550 inherited the high driving position and near-horizontal steering wheel from the Willys. Gives the driver a macho large truck-like feeling of power. Built to commemorate sixty years of the company’s existence, this all show and no go MM550 is named, "Legend". However isn’t a price of Rs 6 lakh plus, too exhorbitant? Last edited by Ram : 30th March 2006 at 10:52. |
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BHPian | ![]() frankly its too expensive... for 6l would not buy a jeep... |
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| ![]() This is a ripoff- For 6L no power steering!!!! and that engine-Man- this has to be the WORST engine on any production vehicle in India today. Just drive any DI mahindra and you will know what I mean. The vibrations are enuff to knock your teeth out! teh least they could have done is give a detuned version of the scorpio crde engine with PS and optional AC (in case some-one wants to opt for it in an open top). Also, this whole thing about "eshub Mahindra signature series" is taking things a bit too far! I mean, Even TATA does not do that for Ratan Tata, who by any yardstick is far more of an automotive icon thatn Mr. Mahindra- No offense, but this is a fact. |
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| ![]() I have seen M. Legend in person looks damn good however when asked the showroom fellow, he said it is not for sale but if by chance it was to go on sale it would be around 5.5l |
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| ![]() The Legend is an awesome looker. Its basically for hardcore Jeep lovers and they really wont mind spending between 5.5 to 6L to buy one. It comes with everything you want in a Jeep from a winch on the front bumper, 4x4 , chrome alloys and I have heard it has an option for an Isuzu petrol engine I love it Last edited by Dippy : 30th March 2006 at 11:54. |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() its a limited edition and hence some 60 or so only will be produced. 6 headlights ! |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() Yep Limited Edition 50-60 To be produced and invites will be sent to propective buyers! |
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![]() Does that take a Mahindra to do? And what's the difference between a Jeep and a Qualis station wagon? The 4x4! Unlike Mahindra's agricultural diesel or the Contessa's 1.8 Isuzu, this is a real Jeep engine! ![]() That said, Mahindra's are known to have an unmodified second world war 4x4. No limited-slip-diff, no air-locker, not even shift-on-the-fly. And the leaf springs at all four corners belongs to Victorian घोडा-गाडी days. Jeeps are supposed to be water-proofed to the point where you can hose-out the mud with a garden hose. Mahindra's dashboard instruments are not water-proof. And the toolbox under the driver's seat is not waterproof either, nor are the door inner-skins waterproof. As far as fancy show items are concerned, the kids in Bhopal weld bull-bars and roll-bars out of 3" steel tubing. And alloy wheels and rubber are available for the asking at CST Road, Kurla. My humble question. What has Mahindra achieved here, for us to feel thrilled about in 2006? But the new coil-sprung Scorpio! Now that is sincerely commendable if you ask me! | ||
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() hell what a waste........ i hate this idiotic startegy of giving substandard engines at this price......who would buy one over a scorpio.... |
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| ![]() Should have put the old Scorpio engine or the crde engine. If it is based on the 540 then there should be space to fit these engines. |
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The MM-440 used the one and only petrol engine Mahindra had. The old 2195 cc "Hurricane" F4-134. ![]() The Hurricane had an "F" head with side intake valves and overhead exhaust valves. It developed 72 bhp @ 4400 rpm and 154 Newton-metre @ 2000 rpm. The MM-540 used the 2112 cc Peugeot XDP4.90 diesel from the Peugeot 504 cars. It developed 62 bhp @ 4500 rpm and 122 Newton-metre @ 2000 rpm. Quote:
They made the Willys CJ-2A from 1945 to 1949, the CJ-3A from 1948 to 1954, and the CJ-3B from 1953-1964. The Mahindra CJ Jeeps have the following ancestry. CJ-3B was the unmodified 1953-1964 Willys CJ-3B with its legendary 80-inch wheelbase. In 1967, Mahindra stretched the CJ-3Bs wheelbase to 101 inches to produce their CJ-4A. In 1975 an International Harvester MD-2350 diesel transformed the CJ-4A into the Mahindra CJ-500D. The Mahindra CJ-340 Classic is the 1953-1964 CJ-3B with the Peugeot XDP4.90 diesel and a Korean Kia 4-speed gearbox. Last edited by Ram : 30th March 2006 at 22:34. | ||
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