Flop cars in our market

Blue Thunder · 11th April 2011, 13:45

Please define 'lemon' in the automotive context.

From what I know (and as condor has mentioned above ), 'lemon' indicates a vehicle with technical problems.

We seem to be debating car models which have been failures in the market (and not due to technical reasons).

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Originally Posted by amitoj

Ford Escort anyone?
And the Daewoo Cielo. I remember drooling over it whenever its ad used to air.

I know that the Daewoo Cielo was the most technologically advanced car in the Indian market when it was launched (MPFI for the first time). It definitely did not have any technical issues which could cause it to be labelled a lemon.

And I am also not sure, if the term 'lemon' can be used to cover an entire brand or model of cars : it probably is used only to refer to individual cars,which have the problems.

Nanolover · 11th April 2011, 13:46

Mods...Please change title to Flop shows of the Great Indian Auto Industry

ObsessedByFIAT · 11th April 2011, 14:08

How about the Puegot 309? Even in those days, I think the number of cars they sold was countable on fingures.

Though, I believe, the car was technology well built and ahead of its time. Still, I am not sure the car can fall as a failure category.

evo · 11th April 2011, 14:12

If you mean a list of India`s Edsels, here they are :

Ford Fusion
Opel Corsa, Corsa Sail and Corsa Swing
Honda Jazz
Maruti Versa (Though it spawned the high selling eeco)
Baleno Altura

sam_boy · 11th April 2011, 14:25

Can I add Chevy Forester

MileCruncher · 11th April 2011, 14:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by ObsessedByFIAT

How about the Puegot 309? Even in those days, I think the number of cars they sold was countable on fingures.

Though, I believe, the car was technology well built and ahead of its time. Still, I am not sure the car can fall as a failure category.

I wouldn't call the Peugeot 309 as ahead of its time. It was actually quite far behind its time. It was a model that was outdated in Europe and had proved itself in Africa. They got it and tried selling it here. But the discerning Indian customer just said no to it!

vigsom · 11th April 2011, 14:35

A lemon refers to something that does not work

Every car manufactured must be having a lemon index(no. of defectives per say 1000 cars).

Maybe we can continue the discussion to list down which cars have a high lemon index

evo · 11th April 2011, 14:40

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Originally Posted by sam_boy

Can I add Chevy Forester

I purposely kept out the ones above 10 Lakhs. If you want to add them to the Edsel Gallery too, then here they are :

Chevy Forrester
Hyundai Teraccan
Opel Vectra
Ford Mondeo
Octavia Combi
Mitsu Outlander
All the Volvo`s launched in India (Even by segment standards)

amitoj · 11th April 2011, 14:49

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Originally Posted by Blue Thunder

I know that the Daewoo Cielo was the most technologically advanced car in the Indian market when it was launched (MPFI for the first time). It definitely did not have any technical issues which could cause it to be labelled a lemon.

Technologically advanced is not the same as reliable, ask any merc owner from this century. Cielo had the looks and the goods, but just didn't deliver on the reliability part.

sudev · 11th April 2011, 15:00

If M1000 was a lemon then there are many more that would be "bitter" lemon. Remember likes of NE118, Peugeot 307....

GSMINC · 11th April 2011, 15:18

Let's not forget the Rover Montego, Fiat Uno, Fiat Sienna

aniketi · 11th April 2011, 15:26

After few years people will start same topic here on T-BHP again. So what are the contenders for that

Honda Jazz.
Chevrolet U-Va.
Mahindra Logan.
Hyundai Sonata.

ObsessedByFIAT · 11th April 2011, 15:37

^ and the Hyundai Elantra as well!!

SILVERWOOD · 11th April 2011, 15:40

Opel Vectra, Fiat adventure,Fiat Sienna, Fiat Petra,Ford Fusion,Maruti Versa,Hyundai Tuscon and Terracan,Grand Vitara.

MARCUS_520i · 11th April 2011, 15:42

The Maruti 1000 was introduced at the time when the market was desperately wanting something new, something fresh, something that looked modern and also came with a lot of goodies! And I, for one think that this car was the one that set off the craze of the now common looking sedans.

If one compares the 998 cc engine to today's 1.5 and 1.6 litred mpfi's and all the bells and whistles, of course it's going to stand out as a fail. But for those times, the early nineties in India, I don't think it must've been the case!

Sure there were the Contessas and Ambassadors with the 1.8 petrols and 2.0 diesels, but they were sluggish and remained like that till Y2K. The 1000's engine was underpowered, yes, but that car was quick!

Besides, there was no competition! People wouldn't look for performance or mileage or power windows or ABS back then. All they wanted was a fresh, comfortable car and Maruti made sure that they got one.

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ObsessedByFIAT BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: - Posts: 955 Thanked: 1,105 Times	re: Flop cars of India How about the Puegot 309? Even in those days, I think the number of cars they sold was countable on fingures. Though, I believe, the car was technology well built and ahead of its time. Still, I am not sure the car can fall as a failure category.
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evo BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kolkata/Shillong Posts: 780 Thanked: 158 Times View My Garage	re: Flop cars of India If you mean a list of India`s Edsels, here they are : Ford Fusion Opel Corsa, Corsa Sail and Corsa Swing Honda Jazz Maruti Versa (Though it spawned the high selling eeco) Baleno Altura Last edited by evo : 11th April 2011 at 14:41. Reason: Remembered that the Corsa Estate was called Swing
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MARCUS_520i BHPian Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 524 Thanked: 166 Times	Re: Flop cars of India The Maruti 1000 was introduced at the time when the market was desperately wanting something new, something fresh, something that looked modern and also came with a lot of goodies! And I, for one think that this car was the one that set off the craze of the now common looking sedans. If one compares the 998 cc engine to today's 1.5 and 1.6 litred mpfi's and all the bells and whistles, of course it's going to stand out as a fail. But for those times, the early nineties in India, I don't think it must've been the case! Sure there were the Contessas and Ambassadors with the 1.8 petrols and 2.0 diesels, but they were sluggish and remained like that till Y2K. The 1000's engine was underpowered, yes, but that car was quick! Besides, there was no competition! People wouldn't look for performance or mileage or power windows or ABS back then. All they wanted was a fresh, comfortable car and Maruti made sure that they got one.
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