[desdemona]

Hi guys.

In the spirit of automotive gossip, here's what I picked up on Autoedizione, a very fine and sober website specializing in news (and informed gossip) on Italian cars and auto firms.

They are reporting that there is considerable renewed buzz in the Japanese press about a MAJOR announcement soon on a tie-up (of what sort and depth?) between Fiat-Chrysler on the one hand and/or Suzuki and/or Mazda.

Suzuki of course has an old association with Fiat, both here and in Europe, but this is bigger (equity sharing? strategic global alliance?), and Mazda will be making a new Fiat and/or Abarth spider for release next year in the US and Europe.

[Naparajito]

Fiat's Answer to them who said it looked hideos.

http://www.autocolumn.com/2014/05/au...version-spied/

Good luck!

[desdemona]

Originally Posted by Naparajito

Fiat's Answer to them who said it looked hideos.

http://www.autocolumn.com/2014/05/au...version-spied/

Good luck!

Looks exceptional, if a little extroverted. They do not need the 1.5/1.6 mjd on this, though if they're going to introduce that engine next year they may as well offer it on the Avventua and even the Abarth Punto? They DO need to offer the Avventura with the T-jet: even the rumoured 1.2l version will be class leading!

[84.monsoon]

Originally Posted by desdemona

Hopefully they are testing out new engine(s) too: a 1.2 T-jet? Maybe the Dualogic AMT gearbox? Maybe, if we want to engage in a wish-fulfilling fantasy, the dual-clutch DDCT.

Fiat India will never do anything so adventurous or interesting. They have a history in Indian of limiting themselves to painfully slow and insignificant tweaking of the 2-3 products they have had in the market since 2009.

Other than the T-Jet, they have never launched a desirable engine in India ever!. They have refused to bring their 1.6 Diesel here despite persistent wishes of the Fiat fans.

I do not see them bringing anything other than minor external tweaks like the Linea face lift or the Aventura. Even when the new Linea is launched globally, expect at least a 3 year delay for Fiat India to bring it here.

[skyrocket003]

Originally Posted by Naparajito

Fiat's Answer to them who said it looked hideos.

http://www.autocolumn.com/2014/05/au...version-spied/

Good luck!

Fiat is really catching up on the game here. They already have nice engine portfolio and now this Avventura is definitely good looking. A lot depends on what engines they offer and how they market it but IMHO, they have a winner here for sure. Way to go FIAT!

[Naparajito]

Originally Posted by 84.monsoon

Fiat India will never do anything so adventurous or interesting. They have a history in Indian of limiting themselves to painfully slow and insignificant tweaking of the 2-3 products they have had in the market since 2009.

Other than the T-Jet, they have never launched a desirable engine in India ever!. They have refused to bring their 1.6 Diesel here despite persistent wishes of the Fiat fans.

I do not see them bringing anything other than minor external tweaks like the Linea face lift or the Aventura. Even when the new Linea is launched globally, expect at least a 3 year delay for Fiat India to bring it here.

You missed the 1.6 NA Engine. Which is till date a bomb. Lets wait and see what they do, because that's the only option we have.

[finneyp]

Interesting, only if we know the engine options available on Avventura!

[desdemona]

Originally Posted by 84.monsoon

Fiat India will never do anything so adventurous or interesting. They have a history in Indian of limiting themselves to painfully slow and insignificant tweaking of the 2-3 products they have had in the market since 2009.

Other than the T-Jet, they have never launched a desirable engine in India ever!. They have refused to bring their 1.6 Diesel here despite persistent wishes of the Fiat fans.

I do not see them bringing anything other than minor external tweaks like the Linea face lift or the Aventura. Even when the new Linea is launched globally, expect at least a 3 year delay for Fiat India to bring it here.

The new Linea is more than an external facelift: it has totally revamped interiors, of a design and quality that is delightful. And the t-jet engine in combination with the ride-handling etc attributes make it the most compelling buy this side of 15 lakhs IMO.

The Avventura will be differentiated enough from the new Punto because not just of cladding, and external spare wheel, but also bigger tyres and higher ground clearance.

Frankly, I don't care whether they offer 2 models or ten, 2 engines or six: Fiats meet my automotive needs and desires, as of today, better than the competition.

Still, I see what you mean. They have been slow, though, for a reason: their struggles in this, the world's toughest car market. Things are picking up now, and Jeep comes next year...

[Pferdestarke]

A picture of Fiat Avventura production version:

The production version is pretty much similar to the concept showcased at Auto Expo except that the DRLs are removed as expected and headlamp assemblies are evidently different from the concept car.



Source: Autocolumn

[sandeepmohan]

The T Jet is an outdated engine in their portfolio. Apart from our market and SA, I can't see a T Jet engine listed anywhere. It is time for the new Multi Air turbo and Multi Jet II to make inroads.

Considering the Aventura is a brand new launch and if it has to click, it better be with a good engine. A bigger and better diesel is the way to go. Its alright if Fiat India drop the T Jet on the Aventura. Diesel is what will sell.

[Sommos]

Originally Posted by Pferdestarke

...and headlamp assemblies are evidently different from the concept car.

The headlamp assembly looks exactly the same, not sure though if the projector setup will be available in the lower models.

Originally Posted by sandeepmohan

A bigger and better diesel is the way to go. Its alright if Fiat India drop the T Jet on the Aventura. Diesel is what will sell.

But they cannot launch the car only with a diesel engine, both the diesel and petrol version must co-exist. Fiat is not able to bring in the 1.6MJD and you're wishing for the Multi-Air and the Multijet II engine here in India.

[Pferdestarke]

Originally Posted by Sommos

The headlamp assembly looks exactly the same, not sure though if the projector setup will be available in the lower models.

Refer to these picures for comparision. You can certainly make out the difference.

Regards,
Pferdestarke

[Sommos]

Originally Posted by Pferdestarke

Refer to these picures for comparision. You can certainly make out the difference.

Regards,
Pferdestarke

I have seen that and frankly I could not make out any difference in the design. May kindly read out the article in "AutoColumn" from where you've posted the picture :

Fiat Avventura would have a set of larger rear wheels to give it a SUV look and wider ground clearance. The car gets unique styling over the bonnet with sharp lines making it a pure Italian design with curvy panels. Front faux skid plates are added to enhance crossover stance. The car gets projector headlamps similar to the one showcased at the 2014 Auto Expo. The production version will not be having DRLs but fog lamps.

The only difference is the absence of the projector setup, which may be offered only in the highest trim.

[desdemona]

Originally Posted by sandeepmohan

The T Jet is an outdated engine in their portfolio. Apart from our market and SA, I can't see a T Jet engine listed anywhere. It is time for the new Multi Air turbo and Multi Jet II to make inroads.

Considering the Aventura is a brand new launch and if it has to click, it better be with a good engine. A bigger and better diesel is the way to go. Its alright if Fiat India drop the T Jet on the Aventura. Diesel is what will sell.

Hi. The T-jet is the best petrol engine in this market, south of 15lakhs and you want it ditched? It is a brilliant, simple turbopetrol. Engines are meant for torque and power while being efficient, and with low emissions. The T-Jet meets these needs far better than the competition IMO.

Could we have the T-jet with MultiAir electro-hydraulic valve timing? Sure, but at a cost that next to no one would be willing to pay. Fiat would be praised for its brilliant engines, and most people would still buy a Honda or Hyundai.

Fiat sales are low (though improving) not in the main because of the engines on offer, petrol or diesel, but because of legacy issues with ASS.

The 90 hp MJD is ample for this crossover in this market. The 1.6 mjd will come next year on the Linea, the Abarth Punto and then on the India-made Jeep c-suv?

[mchanna]

Originally Posted by sandeepmohan

The T Jet is an outdated engine in their portfolio. Apart from our market and SA, I can't see a T Jet engine listed anywhere. It is time for the new Multi Air turbo and Multi Jet II to make inroads.

T-Jet might be outdated to the other part of the world. But it is still the superior technology than any other option available this side of 10 Lakhs in india. No other engines are as technologically advanced than T-Jet period in that price tag.

As per the rumors there will not be any other engine option than 1.3MJD and T-Jet. There are also rumors about 1.5MJD for Avventura.