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However lets all hope that going forward Fiat makes a name as well as the numbers for itself in the Indian market. Last edited by Jaggu : 21st March 2013 at 20:49. Reason: Please avoid Quoting entire large post and youtube links. Affects readability. Thanks. | |
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| Re: Fiat's India strategy revealed. Abarth, Jeep, new Linea & Punto coming. More insi Firs of all let me clear one thing that I also have always been Fiat admirer but than I don't want to be called myself biased and have always respected other cars equally. Quote:
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Talk about ride quality, its not at par with i20 when low speed ride quality is compared. Come to high speed ride quality on uneven roads, it wasn't comparable to Polo and Fabia. Steering definitely felt heavier and better but once they will bring newer generation of these cars, they will also be having electric steering so that remaining strong point is also going to be lost, just wait till they bring newer generation. Though reserving my comment on Linea's ride and handling since couldn't get chance to TD newer model of Linea. Quote:
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21st March 2013, 12:41 | #318 | |
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Fiat would have made quite a mark in India, if the only criteria for buying a car- was the car itself. Unfortunately- its not. Cleanliness of the dealership, space, smile of the SA, offers, chocolate boxes, number of service centres, exciting 'new' limited editions- and a lot many others things matter too. | |
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21st March 2013, 12:42 | #319 | ||
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I dint compile any of the tables , they are compiled after a thoughtful points from TBHPians and authoritive facts. One very good thread on our forum. http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...e-ranking.html Have you checked the Vento ? I own it, the boot is wafer thin, the doors are light, the bonnet is also light. My Lineas boot needs to be closed with both hands, bonnet needs to be opened with both hands and door close with a massive thud. So dont laugh on the fact mentioned in the sheet. And yes the sheet metal used by TATA is one of the finest supplied by the same company that supplies to almost all manufacturers in india. You might have met people with other cars who are passionate about their car, but you will not come accross any single FIAT owner who is not passionate about his ride. Thats the major difference. Quote:
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21st March 2013, 12:57 | #321 | |
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Earlier you were fighting for the rights to be called an enthusiast, and now you tell you recently took your cousin for a TD of something which was last produced in 2011. On a serious note, its coming back- better than ever- this April. Last edited by CrAzY dRiVeR : 21st March 2013 at 13:02. | |
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21st March 2013, 13:02 | #322 | |||
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About the bonnet and boot lid, doesn't matter how heavy or light they are. Because ultimately they gonna get ripped if any mishap happens. Another point to be noted is the pedestrian safety norms. Vento is based on Polo which has scored 5 stars in the test. And the pedestrian safety norm is the reason behind soft/spongy type bonnet lid. You have Vento, press the bonnet in the middle, it will go down. What actually matters for safety is the inner structure and crumple zones. And I would believe on a German cars when build quality or safety is considered. luckily the Fiats we are currently having in India are also based on German platform, I mentioned the same in my previous post too. Quote:
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21st March 2013, 13:03 | #323 |
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| Re: Fiat's India strategy revealed. Abarth, Jeep, new Linea & Punto coming. More insi Interesting to see the way people think - (1) There is no hot hatch in market (2) FIAT makes one and starts testing it (3) People bash FIAT for making it saying there is very little market for it. Oh GOD someone help understand what FIAT needs to do |
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21st March 2013, 13:22 | #324 |
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| Re: Fiat's India strategy revealed. Abarth, Jeep, new Linea & Punto coming. More insi I see some comments on the handling of the *NEW* Punto / Linea. Well, this is what my car crazy friend commented after taking numerous TDs of Linea / Punto (and almost every other car in the 5-20L range) : "The new Punto & Linea can NOT be compared to the old ones (before the GC increment) in terms of handling. There is quite a lot of difference. I wanted to buy a Linea, but was so disappointed with the poor handling after increasing the GC. Even the Punto is NOT in the previous league, but it's better than Linea as the difference in handling is NOT very obvious and settled for it" ! |
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21st March 2013, 13:39 | #325 | |
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Although you have obviously posted in the negative- I feel its similar to my experience where I did TD of cars till Cruze, but finally fell for Punto. Last edited by CrAzY dRiVeR : 21st March 2013 at 13:42. | |
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21st March 2013, 13:44 | #326 |
Team-BHP Support | Re: Fiat's India strategy revealed. Abarth, Jeep, new Linea & Punto coming. More insi Quite a lot has been happening on the thread since I last visited it, I see . Someone said a tuned (pre-owned) Honda City with aftermarket turbos and headers and FFE and blah, blah is a better choice than a factory tuned Abarth hot hatch with 3 years and 1,00,000 km warranty (this is what they offer as standard in UK and other countries, not counting extended warranty periods) Then someone saw this and interpreted as "everyone who is not interested in an Abarth is a non-enthusiast AND/OR everyone who is an enthusiast and worth his salt, has to purchase one to prove it". Then this person goes to great lengths to prove that Fiats' strengths are not really strengths, but just a temporary phase after which their strengths become weaknesses in future versions. - Fiat Punto / Linea don't actually handle/ride well. It is just an illusion - Ride quality is mediocre compared to i20, polo and fabia - They are underpowered and heavy, so they are slow (and hence not enthusiast cars) - Build quality is not really that good. Just the doors are heavy to fool customers, but interior strength is matchbox grade. What exactly is the intention behind these posts? No one here said Fiat is superb and every other car is junk. If you saw some post which said that, please argue on that thread with whoever said that. This thread is about Abarth / Jeep / Fiat launches and speculation about those products/ dealerships. Please lets keep it clean and free from pointless debates. My last post until the thread comes back on-topic, hopefully with the help of some moderator(s). Last edited by GTO : 22nd March 2013 at 13:55. Reason: Please do NOT use abbreviations for cars (OHC). Second, no need to badge anyone a troll. You can report such posts. Thanks |
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And when did buying a premium hatch or honda city come into picture? Obviously the primary car for daily/family use will be one among these, but when I say high performance cars, I meant the likes of Abarth. Do you think compared to Abarth any of the stock Ventos/i20s/Citys would even come close? And any car of similar performance would obviously set you back by atleast a couple million or more in india. Quote:
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21st March 2013, 14:25 | #328 | ||
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FYI, i have ICED and also put seat covers etc and have ripped off all the panels and checked multiple times. The Fiat sheet metal is undoubtedly the thickest outside as well as on the inside. Next time i will let you know the thickness witha Micrometer. We all have seen the various accidents. So lets keep that fancy cribbing about inner sheet metal, crumple zones, 5star rating of flimsy japanese cars etc at bay. I dont want to post the photos crushed sheet metal cans here again. If you want open the bumpers of a honda city or vento and check what lies beneath. Open the fenders and see. Check the Fiat inside below. There are very strong thick crumple bars all over, one such example is the front. On top of that they have a bounce back thich rubberised foam. Also you will never find a Fiat rolled up like a flimsy 5star car. Quote:
Very rare that we indians get to drive such good cars. But we neglected it. I know there must be some reasons, but the TJET is still a mean machine. When i get a out of factory 180bhp performance car which performs better than most of the costly daily use cars why should i still shy out of it. The difference between Abarth and a car prepared by tuner is that you can safely drive Abarth on daily basis without fearing of breaking down. Last edited by amit_mechengg : 21st March 2013 at 14:30. | ||
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21st March 2013, 14:40 | #329 | |
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People don't buy car to keep it @ home all dressed and shining . FIAT would have definitely made a mark in india, if they would have understood that they also need to help their customers to maintain their cars in top shape . We all understand that these are mechanical things, and mechanical things can go wrong anytime anywhere no denying on that , but i guess FIAT thought that their cars once sold will never ever come to service centers for issues , so they didn't even bother to address that . But i seriously hope with these new centers coming up, these issues will not be reported anymore. Cheers | |
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But what amazes me is the Fiat, which has probably the worst A.S.S, lot of small niggles, friends asking "How are you able to maintain a FIAT?", etc etc, but still is very much loved by each of its owners. Some where I heard, "The true test of your love is when things are not going well", and this is where Fiat owners prove different. Couldn't agree more. Lets stick to what we feel about the brand Fiat and their strategies and not mix what we think, Fiat owners think of other cars. We can probably have a separate thread for that. | |||
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