Launch of new Corolla & Innova by Mid-2015?

nik_kapur · 6th February 2013, 11:45

So the Corolla has finally been spied fully uncovered by carscoop.blogspot.in.
Looks really boring and safe in design. Whatever happened to the edgy design philosophy they were to follow for this new version of the Corolla. They have really toned the car down when compared with the Furia concept that was unveiled recently.

The front end looks like an Etios now !! Thats not at all flattering for any new design !!

9thsphinx · 6th February 2013, 11:55

I don't understand brands copying each other. Maybe it does make some commercial sense, but this looks more like a cut-copy-paste job, albeit a bit tweaked. Sure the front end looks like the Etios, but that chrome grill and the headlights are so alike the current gen City. The rear end and the taillights look like the fluidic Elantra + Sonata. Wonder what the interiors on this thing would be like?!

I definitely prefer the plain-jane current gen-Corolla to this funky design.

soonya · 12th February 2013, 00:49

Looks like Toyota is following Matsushita's philosophy of the second large bite!

Matsu always waited for Sony to try a new product category and would figure out a way of building a similar product as reliable as Sony and price it less, and almost always Matsu has had a larger market share!

In this case, I must say the front does not look too bad, but the back looks like the typical korean 'overdesign' (my personal view, no offense meant).

But when did Toyota ever sweep one off the floor with its designs?

While the bulbous back looks ungainly, not too sure if it is the camera angle which is playing the tricks. One needs to see it in real flesh to figure out how it looks and feels though.

Most of Jap designs have always been 'you will grow with it' classic types. And Honda was known for discovering classic lines which last a life time. Look at the all the earlier models of Honda City which are not boring even today, they do kind of grow on you, even if one felt they were bland at the time of their launch!

But I am not a fan of the new Accord which looks like a take off on Hyundai! (no offense meant to Hyundai lovers), and nor was I impressed with the sharp creases of the new Amaze, some how Honda lost the plot, in my humble view! Sensationalism seems to be the order of the day!

Hmm, was just wondering if the story of Soichiro Honda being inspired by Buddha's eye brow in designing the fuel tank of the Honda bike (which the CD100 had) is a myth propagated and his insistence that Honda cars should have the maximum visibility from within (which made them design the rear glass bleed into C pillars in the earlier designs) another myth?!

gauravdgr8 · 12th February 2013, 05:03

Got to know this from a person who does test drives for Toyota (their new cars)

Currently the new Innova is being test driven all across in black clothing. Some are also going around the Yamuna expressway and the Buddh Circuit. The current Innova will be stopped around June.

The new Innova will be priced between the current one and Fortuner.

drmohitg · 12th February 2013, 07:37

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Originally Posted by gauravdgr8

Currently the new Innova is being test driven all across in black clothing. Some are also going around the Yamuna expressway and the Buddh Circuit. The current Innova will be stopped around June.

I doubt they will phase out the current Innova so soon. They just did a facelift for the current one and that should safely give it life for atleast a couple of years. 2014 end-2015 seems more like it for the launch of the new model.

hrishig · 12th February 2013, 16:44

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Originally Posted by drmohitg

I doubt they will phase out the current Innova so soon. They just did a facelift for the current one and that should safely give it life for atleast a couple of years. 2014 end-2015 seems more like it for the launch of the new model.

Or keep the current one for the strong taxi segment and launch the new one for higher price just like Maruti did for desire, tata for indica/ manza..

nurni76 · 12th February 2013, 17:10

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Originally Posted by hrishig

Or keep the current one for the strong taxi segment and launch the new one for higher price just like Maruti did for desire, tata for indica/ manza..

or launch the Avanza at a price point below current Innova and phase out the innova

drmohitg · 12th February 2013, 18:41

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Originally Posted by nurni76

or launch the Avanza at a price point below current Innova and phase out the innova

No why will they phase out the Innova all together? Its a well proven model with a huge fan following so I don't see any merit in letting all that go. Ofcourse there is no stopping them to introduce newer models and place them in between the Innova and Fortuner and perhaps also an entry level MUV.

swiftnfurious · 12th February 2013, 20:06

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Originally Posted by drmohitg

No why will they phase out the Innova all together? Its a well proven model with a huge fan following so I don't see any merit in letting all that go...

Didn't they do it with the Qualis?

I believe they do it because they bring in a superior product at a higher price & would NOT want the already proven product to bite a chunk off the newer one. I could NOT find any other reason though.

drmohitg · 12th February 2013, 20:24

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Originally Posted by swiftnfurious

Didn't they do it with the Qualis?

I believe they do it because they bring in a superior product at a higher price & would NOT want the already proven product to bite a chunk off the newer one. I could NOT find any other reason though.

But the market dynamics have changed since then right. That time there were few takers for large MUVs and there market has only grown in the last couple of years. So having 2 MUVs that time would not have made much sense perhaps but having 3-4 in your portfolio of products now is something to cheer about. A classic example being Mahindra.

swiftnfurious · 12th February 2013, 20:41

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Originally Posted by drmohitg

But the market dynamics have changed since then right. That time there were few takers for large MUVs and there market has only grown in the last couple of years. So having 2 MUVs that time would not have made much sense perhaps but having 3-4 in your portfolio of products now is something to cheer about. A classic example being Mahindra.

I do NOT think so. I always prefer diversifying; be it any business! I don't think anyone can build / grow business sticking on to something very specific; say MUVs/SUVs. If Mahindra was happy with their UV range, they would have NOT bothered to take over Reva, not bothered about a sub 4m Verito etc right? Not to talk about their 2 wheeler business.

drmohitg · 12th February 2013, 21:08

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Originally Posted by swiftnfurious

I do NOT think so. I always prefer diversifying; be it any business! I don't think anyone can build / grow business sticking on to something very specific; say MUVs/SUVs. If Mahindra was happy with their UV range, they would have NOT bothered to take over Reva, not bothered about a sub 4m Verito etc right? Not to talk about their 2 wheeler business.

When did I say diversification is bad? All I said was back then having 2 MUVs and a corolla probably didn't make much sense for the brand since the market for UVs for limited. But now they can surely afford to have multiple UVs in there line up. They already have cars in most categories from hatches to sedans. So that takes care of all the diversification needed. But there is no denying that there most success has come from MUV/SUVs. So having another people's mover in there line up is indeed sensible IMHO.

a4anurag · 12th February 2013, 22:59

On the first look the front end somehow resembles the Honda City and the rear looks like New Hyundai Elantra.

If this how the 2015 model looks can't imagine what the Innova would look like! Hope Toyota does not overkill and ruin the car.

Fingers crossed!

nik_kapur · 18th February 2013, 12:06

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Originally Posted by a4anurag

On the first look the front end somehow resembles the Honda City and the rear looks like New Hyundai Elantra.

If this how the 2015 model looks can't imagine what the Innova would look like! Hope Toyota does not overkill and ruin the car.

Fingers crossed!

Its actually a 2013 Corolla that we neglected Indians will get in 2015 !! Toyota needs to take us more seriously and give more respect to the spending power of the Indian consumer. They dont have plans to get a Vios into India

. The Vios, City, Verna segment is probably one of the hottest in India!!

Axe77 · 25th March 2013, 08:02

Hormazd in the Autocar show had some promising updates on the innova.

Apparently Toyota has moved the generation change to 2016 with a view to make the change as significant as possible. Emphasis will be given to make the vehicle much more stylish, more spacious, provided a more powerful engine (this is a first - in previous updates it was suggested that the engine size would not be increased to preserve longevity of the vehicle), and will also sport automatic transmission.

Al this certainly makes it worth a wait. I just hope that Toyota don't stretch us and launch all variants including A/T from the very beginning. I really hope Toyota delivers on all the above fronts - I'm a sure customer by 2016 for that one (even sooner if they launch sooner).

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9thsphinx Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Ahmedabad Posts: 1,118 Thanked: 542 Times View My Garage	Re: Launch of new Corolla & Innova by Mid-2015? I don't understand brands copying each other. Maybe it does make some commercial sense, but this looks more like a cut-copy-paste job, albeit a bit tweaked. Sure the front end looks like the Etios, but that chrome grill and the headlights are so alike the current gen City. The rear end and the taillights look like the fluidic Elantra + Sonata. Wonder what the interiors on this thing would be like?! I definitely prefer the plain-jane current gen-Corolla to this funky design.
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soonya BHPian Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 94 Thanked: 94 Times	Re: Launch of new Corolla & Innova by Mid-2015? Looks like Toyota is following Matsushita's philosophy of the second large bite! Matsu always waited for Sony to try a new product category and would figure out a way of building a similar product as reliable as Sony and price it less, and almost always Matsu has had a larger market share! In this case, I must say the front does not look too bad, but the back looks like the typical korean 'overdesign' (my personal view, no offense meant). But when did Toyota ever sweep one off the floor with its designs? While the bulbous back looks ungainly, not too sure if it is the camera angle which is playing the tricks. One needs to see it in real flesh to figure out how it looks and feels though. Most of Jap designs have always been 'you will grow with it' classic types. And Honda was known for discovering classic lines which last a life time. Look at the all the earlier models of Honda City which are not boring even today, they do kind of grow on you, even if one felt they were bland at the time of their launch! But I am not a fan of the new Accord which looks like a take off on Hyundai! (no offense meant to Hyundai lovers), and nor was I impressed with the sharp creases of the new Amaze, some how Honda lost the plot, in my humble view! Sensationalism seems to be the order of the day! Hmm, was just wondering if the story of Soichiro Honda being inspired by Buddha's eye brow in designing the fuel tank of the Honda bike (which the CD100 had) is a myth propagated and his insistence that Honda cars should have the maximum visibility from within (which made them design the rear glass bleed into C pillars in the earlier designs) another myth?!
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gauravdgr8 BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: CG/CH Posts: 778 Thanked: 1,296 Times View My Garage	Re: Launch of new Corolla & Innova by Mid-2015? Got to know this from a person who does test drives for Toyota (their new cars) Currently the new Innova is being test driven all across in black clothing. Some are also going around the Yamuna expressway and the Buddh Circuit. The current Innova will be stopped around June. The new Innova will be priced between the current one and Fortuner.
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a4anurag BANNED Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 12,350 Thanked: 21,411 Times	Re: Launch of new Corolla & Innova by Mid-2015? On the first look the front end somehow resembles the Honda City and the rear looks like New Hyundai Elantra. If this how the 2015 model looks can't imagine what the Innova would look like! Hope Toyota does not overkill and ruin the car. Fingers crossed!
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25th March 2013, 08:02	#45
Axe77 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Mumbai Posts: 6,905 Thanked: 20,577 Times	Hormazd in the Autocar show had some promising updates on the innova. Apparently Toyota has moved the generation change to 2016 with a view to make the change as significant as possible. Emphasis will be given to make the vehicle much more stylish, more spacious, provided a more powerful engine (this is a first - in previous updates it was suggested that the engine size would not be increased to preserve longevity of the vehicle), and will also sport automatic transmission. Al this certainly makes it worth a wait. I just hope that Toyota don't stretch us and launch all variants including A/T from the very beginning. I really hope Toyota delivers on all the above fronts - I'm a sure customer by 2016 for that one (even sooner if they launch sooner).
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