Where is the perfect SUV?

veyron1 · 26th May 2006, 01:17

Well, from the way this thread is going, I can suggest only ONE winner; the 2.8 Pajero; good looks, sufficient performance (can still whack the Endy, Dicor, Scorpio and the like), 7-seater, rugged, bullet-proof, and it's within the better side of 20 lacs too.

The Montero is a heck of an SUV. Had a chance to sample one during the Mumbai performance auto show...DAMN..! Now THAT, is what you call an SUV. A perfect recipe- diesel, loaded to the gills, seats that would put the S' class and the Safari's to shame, and what not...now THAT, is a car to have...

rangaraj · 26th May 2006, 08:36

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Originally Posted by veyron1

Well, from the way this thread is going, I can suggest only ONE winner; the 2.8 Pajero; good looks, sufficient performance (can still whack the Endy, Dicor, Scorpio and the like), 7-seater, rugged, bullet-proof, and it's within the better side of 20 lacs too.

The Montero is a heck of an SUV. Had a chance to sample one during the Mumbai performance auto show...DAMN..! Now THAT, is what you call an SUV. A perfect recipe- diesel, loaded to the gills, seats that would put the S' class and the Safari's to shame, and what not...now THAT, is a car to have...

I heard that the Montero is likely to be priced in the same range as the existing pajero. Is that true?

maxbhp · 26th May 2006, 09:19

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Originally Posted by sbasak

Why no one mentioned Nissan X-trail? [though very pricey ~26 lakh]

Give me one reason justifying its price of 26 lacs . Inspite of being in the same league as CRV its almost double the price . Handling is no where near CRV . Its very top heavy . Only thing in its favour is its great Crdi Mill , and contemporary interiors and ofcourse brand lineage of Nissan Patrol.

sidharth_j · 26th May 2006, 10:29

Is not Honda planning to get the Common rail Diesel CRV into India??

the 2.2 litre CDTi..that suposedly, besides the performance; also gives 18kmpl..per European driving cycle.

aadix · 26th May 2006, 12:07

what abt the terracan?

it's a gen newer than the old pajero

satish_appasani · 26th May 2006, 12:16

Forget Terracan. Hyundai stopped the production. I think Hyundai kept people waiting for the launch for more time than it was in production.

My uncle deposited money with Hyundai dealer for a white Terracan few months ago. White was very rare and they gave my uncle an infinite waiting period before they returned back the money as the producion has stopped.

Technocrat · 26th May 2006, 12:17

Even I am wondering why nobody's discussing the Terracan which I have heard to be 'The Only performing SUV in India' ???

aadix · 26th May 2006, 12:21

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Originally Posted by satish_appasani

Forget Terracan. Hyundai stopped the production. I think Hyundai kept people waiting for the launch for more time than it was in production.

My uncle deposited money with Hyundai dealer for a white Terracan few months ago. White was very rare and they gave my uncle an infinite waiting period before they returned back the money as the producion has stopped.

this is news to me

then how come me still seeing new terracans on road?

it's gonna be replaced or what?

<ot : btw anna u still owe me an party and 2f2f movie on ur home theatre

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triggercool · 26th May 2006, 13:19

Guys dont you think so we dont have good suv in the price bracket of 8-10 lakhs. I had heard that Toyota fotrtuner was to be introduce at price of 10-12 lamhs but now heard recently its going to be for 16-18 lakhs its to much.

v1p3r · 26th May 2006, 15:05

Why is everyone saying the handling of the Dicor is bad?!

BUSA · 26th May 2006, 19:27

What about a Forester. It handles pretty well and is perfect off roader. It has the underpinnings of the Impreza Sti. You can get a used 2005 model less then a year old for as less as 8L.

veyron1 · 26th May 2006, 23:24

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Originally Posted by rangaraj

I heard that the Montero is likely to be priced in the same range as the existing pajero. Is that true?

Nope; it's gonna be priced between 28.5-30 lacs, as per reliable sources. But there are some rumours of some duty cuts on certain areas, so it COULD be cheaper.

The new Vitara is a good option, but if people from Maruti are to be believed, then the Indian version is going to be petrol only- no diesel options.

It would have been great if Honda came up with the 2.2 diesel CR-V, but that's a long shot. For one, Honda doesn't have any plans to launch it soon; it's concentrating on the Civic, new Accord (both diesel and petrol) and of course, the B+ segment hatch.

And yes, the rumours are true. Terracan has stopped production about 6 months ago. Checked it out myself a long time back. A few are still available from the last batch of imports, but that's it. It would have been THE SUV to have, if it was priced around 18 lacs, but sadly..

The Safari is a great budget SUV, but it still doesn't have that "upmarket" feel. Quality of plastics are disappointing, and the car still doesn't have that "solid" feeling that the Endy (which, is outdated now) gives. But still, the Safari is the only true SUV for guys on a budget; and that's a good thing.

The Subaru Forrester is a great stationwagon. That's it. It's just about as big as the Tata Estate, or the Palio Adventure. From no perspective can it be called a proper SUV. But it drives like hell, great AWD system, yada,yada....And that 4wd lever takes a li'l getting used to; the lever travels in a straight line, is placed behind the handbrake, and has just 2 positions; 4H and 4L; but everything is forgiven once you open those frameless doors. As a secondhand buy, it's great. But it's not a proper/practical SUV, in the purest sense of the term.

Like I said; the best SUV for this side of 20 lacs if bought THIS year; the 2.8 Pajero. For next year, it would be a close call between the new Endy, GM's quasi-SUV or the new Safari, and/or Fortuner, if launched as per plans...

vivekiny2k · 27th May 2006, 01:23

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Originally Posted by Joz

Yes there is a new 2.2 ltr under development but I wouldn't believe the 'new from ground up' part until i see it on the road.

Had the Innova come with the Safari's looks, it could have been a very worthwhile buy.

give it to DC, who knows this time he can actually get some good looks for a car.

tsk1979 · 27th May 2006, 02:41

What about the tuscon. It fits the bill except for the true off roader part, which you dont really need in a people carrier.
In india fuel cost is very high when compared to avg income of a guy who drives a 8L car. So economy takes precedence. So much so that even when somebody buys a laura he still wonders about the fuel economy. A SuV will have lower economy due to bad aerodynamics and higher weight.
Add to that the parking and driving conditions in cities, the bigger the car the worse the nightmare.
I guess this segment will also open up in the next few months. In the economy segment its the scorpio and safari(later the X2) which will drive the market.

Another factor is the guys who sell in india. The Japs and the Koreans. SuVs have been the strong point of the american guys. Americans are still babies in the Indian market when you look at peneteration. They are more worried about making profit, so they will first introduce what sells here and then go on to the other segments.

tsk1979 · 27th May 2006, 02:44

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Originally Posted by v1p3r

Why is everyone saying the handling of the Dicor is bad?!

Because it is. Its almost as bad as the old scorpio and worse than the current one. When you see whats available here, it may seem to be okay, compare that with the similar priced SuVs all around the globe, its way way down.

An ideal Suv would be with the character of the Safari with the handling of Innova

26th May 2006, 01:17	#31
veyron1 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,424 Thanked: 52 Times View My Garage	Well, from the way this thread is going, I can suggest only ONE winner; the 2.8 Pajero; good looks, sufficient performance (can still whack the Endy, Dicor, Scorpio and the like), 7-seater, rugged, bullet-proof, and it's within the better side of 20 lacs too. The Montero is a heck of an SUV. Had a chance to sample one during the Mumbai performance auto show...DAMN..! Now THAT, is what you call an SUV. A perfect recipe- diesel, loaded to the gills, seats that would put the S' class and the Safari's to shame, and what not...now THAT, is a car to have...
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sidharth_j BHPian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney, AU Posts: 139 Thanked: 36 Times View My Garage	Is not Honda planning to get the Common rail Diesel CRV into India?? the 2.2 litre CDTi..that suposedly, besides the performance; also gives 18kmpl..per European driving cycle.
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aadix Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: hyderabad Posts: 1,597 Thanked: 14 Times	what abt the terracan? it's a gen newer than the old pajero
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satish_appasani Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 1,112 Thanked: 104 Times View My Garage	Forget Terracan. Hyundai stopped the production. I think Hyundai kept people waiting for the launch for more time than it was in production. My uncle deposited money with Hyundai dealer for a white Terracan few months ago. White was very rare and they gave my uncle an infinite waiting period before they returned back the money as the producion has stopped. Last edited by satish_appasani : 26th May 2006 at 12:18.
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Technocrat Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: GTA Posts: 14,813 Thanked: 2,700 Times	Even I am wondering why nobody's discussing the Terracan which I have heard to be 'The Only performing SUV in India' ???
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26th May 2006, 13:19	#39
triggercool BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: MUMBAI Posts: 154 Thanked: 6 Times	Guys dont you think so we dont have good suv in the price bracket of 8-10 lakhs. I had heard that Toyota fotrtuner was to be introduce at price of 10-12 lamhs but now heard recently its going to be for 16-18 lakhs its to much.
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v1p3r Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: BLR / DXB / LON Posts: 5,334 Thanked: 6,896 Times View My Garage	Why is everyone saying the handling of the Dicor is bad?!
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26th May 2006, 19:27	#41
BUSA Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,130 Thanked: 20 Times View My Garage	What about a Forester. It handles pretty well and is perfect off roader. It has the underpinnings of the Impreza Sti. You can get a used 2005 model less then a year old for as less as 8L.
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tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,825 Times View My Garage	What about the tuscon. It fits the bill except for the true off roader part, which you dont really need in a people carrier. In india fuel cost is very high when compared to avg income of a guy who drives a 8L car. So economy takes precedence. So much so that even when somebody buys a laura he still wonders about the fuel economy. A SuV will have lower economy due to bad aerodynamics and higher weight. Add to that the parking and driving conditions in cities, the bigger the car the worse the nightmare. I guess this segment will also open up in the next few months. In the economy segment its the scorpio and safari(later the X2) which will drive the market. Another factor is the guys who sell in india. The Japs and the Koreans. SuVs have been the strong point of the american guys. Americans are still babies in the Indian market when you look at peneteration. They are more worried about making profit, so they will first introduce what sells here and then go on to the other segments.
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