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Originally Posted by Viju This may be OT for this thread..
Yes, mostly, in the design phase, the body is designed to meet crash requirements. This usually requires a lot of reinforcements in the weld body. When it comes to the domestic variants, these are removed from all areas possible (to reduce cost and weight obviously). Therefore, even if the cars 'look' the same from the outside, what goes inside is very very different. |
I don't think this is OT - since the topic is about Bajaj lashing out on competitors, particularly countering safety aspects and comparing his quadricycle with other cars plying here - I think it is very relevant.
Safety is an important issue for us and understanding it fully really helps.
And thanks Viju for bringing this aspect for discussion. Very valid point I would say!
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Originally Posted by apachelongbow Crash handling is because of crumple zones, crushable hoods, bonnets, pedistrian safe bumpers etc, I believe once these are frozen on a car, it becomes expensive for them to be removed to localize the car to India. If the makers pass NCAP tests then the car is certified to meet certian safety standards, which still hold good in India. |
Sorry, my friend. What you say is needed for better crash handling, but is not the whole story. Actually there are three parts to it.
1) The center cage - this is the place where we all sit; it shouldn't deform or crumple - and THE MOST IMPORTANT barrier in protecting the occupants;
2) The crumple zones - this is what all the good things you've mentioned above; the outer zones designed to minimize impact travelling to the center cage;
3) Active/Passive assists - the seat belt, SRS, ABS, etc, etc; the equipments helping to reduce or avoid the impact if possible.
What Viju mentioned is about reinforcements done (or lack of them in cars made for here) to boost # 1 and 2 mentioned above.
For example, Suzuki Splash sold in UK has side-impact protection beams and foot well protection zones while Maruti Ritz sold here skimps on them big time (this affects #1 above). Similarly, the bumpers are filled with energy absorbing foams, while the ones here are mere plastic shell (this affects #2 above). There are so many such 'invisible' areas where costs (and corners) are cut between the "export" version and "desi" one!
Kudos to Viju again for bringing this out!!!
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Originally Posted by apachelongbow Regarding quadricyles, sorry Europe or India both dont have any safety standards for them. In Europe they are clubbed with recreational vehicles like gokarts to be used off road only. |
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Originally Posted by saket77 Exactly; and they are promoting this vehicle with the placard in had 'used in Europe'. Why don't they say HOW it is used? Europeans, who are safety maniacs, would never commute in such a vehicle and we are thinking it to make it a public transport system? |
Sorry buddies, but not exactly how you have portrayed above. While I was in Netherlands, one of my neighbour - an old man - had an Aixam and used it for all his errands, running around in The Hague. That apart, I have seen lot of Smart (for two), Seat and Peugoet micro cars plying around within city (they still have trams running along the roads, so you can guess)! However, I don't remember seeing them on their expressways.
EDIT: Even such 'cars' were allowed to be parked perpendicular in a parallel parking slot (thus two can park in one 'normal' slot). This was in 2008,09. Hope that still prevails.
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Originally Posted by Steeroid An incumbent industrialist wants to manipulate the governance structure to accommodate the antique technology he can offer, instead of making products that comply with existing governance.
This is the sort of nonsense that used to happen in the License Raj era - if it occurs again in this day and age, then we seriously need to think in terms of opening our market COMPLETELY to competent foreign manufacturers. Else such parasites will continue to thrive. |
One big difference between the 'license raj' era and now is that, there are multiple segments and many models available in each segment. So, people have choices. Well, not within so called 'quadricycle' category - that too for the time being, but otherwise!
PS: While I support the 'quadricyle' as a category, I don't support Rajiv Bajaj's take on his fellow industrialists. That looks cheap, rude and plain stupid.