TATA v/s M&M

DCEite · 13th June 2006, 21:15

Well i thought of starting this topic after witnessing so many horror stories of TATA cars quality issues, both in and outsite the forum.
Somehow, i dont hear too much bad for the other Indian manufacturer: Mahindra and Mahindra (M&M). Rarely i have heard people complaining about Scorpio's quality or breakdowns. Of course this maybe due to the fact, that M&M has only one vehicle in the passenger car market..

What do you people think. Given a choice, would you drive home a TATA Indica .. or an M&M Indica? Which one would you trust more?

jkdas · 13th June 2006, 22:18

M&M is gonna try its hand on a new project; a sedan or so MUV ( I forgot

), kind of luxurious one in two years.

I am yet to see/hear about a Tata quality problem with any of my friends car. But, I just hate the stability and hence the safety features of the Scorpio.

And hence my vote for Tata. Truly a people's car manufacturer.

kb100 · 13th June 2006, 22:21

Somehow both are more or less in the same boat... hoever I have a feeling M&M lead by their attention to detail.. and perhaps a little more passion... though you are right about the numbers.. my vote goes for M&M.. I like their vehicles much better than TATA's - both fit and finish.. and sheer drivability!!

DCEite · 13th June 2006, 22:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkdas

M&M is gonna try its hand on a new project; a sedan or so MUV ( I forgot

), kind of luxurious one in two years.

Its called the LOGAN. Have been reading about it since the past 1-1/2 year.. by the time they bring it here it will be terribly outdated.

jkdas · 13th June 2006, 23:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by dceite

Its called the LOGAN. Have been reading about it since the past 1-1/2 year.. by the time they bring it here it will be terribly outdated.

no re; thats the Renault project na? This one would be a total Indian gaadi. Not a car though.

kpzen · 13th June 2006, 23:14

In the engine deptt M&M scores more than TATA else both are same

nitrous · 14th June 2006, 00:30

Its totally wrong to have brought this up.

I love both Tata and Mahindra equally and respect both for their different attributes.

Yes,Scorpio is a good successful product.But still, Mahindra cannot be considered with just a single product which they renew and renew and upgrade and upgrade.....phew!

Tata on the other hand grew from TELCO(Tata Electrical and Locomotive Company) to what it is today.
Its still a class below its Japanese competition.But,its VFM anyday!

PS: This thread will create a 'coffee-toffee' argument. I'll bet on it!

islero · 14th June 2006, 08:19

My vote goes for Tata. They have acheived much more in a smaller space of time than Mahindra.

headers · 14th June 2006, 08:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrous

Its totally wrong to have brought this up.

I love both Tata and Mahindra equally and respect both for their different attributes.

Yes,Scorpio is a good successful product.But still, Mahindra cannot be considered with just a single product which they renew and renew and upgrade and upgrade.....phew!

Tata on the other hand grew from TELCO(Tata Electrical and Locomotive Company) to what it is today.
Its still a class below its Japanese competition.But,its VFM anyday!

PS: This thread will create a 'coffee-toffee' argument. I'll bet on it!

Hey Nitrous,

The TAtas are better than the Japanese in all segments but Cars..We should note that they are only 10 years into Car manufacturing unlike the Japs who have been at it for decades..

I think the Tata Indica and Indigo are great VFM vehicles..but leave a lot of things to be desired..

Dont have much experience with the Mahindra..but for that funny bus like vehicle on a jeep chassis..that "thing" is scary and can hit anything on the road and keep going..Wonder how the RTO's permitted such vehicles..

DCEite · 14th June 2006, 13:44

lets not get the Japanese into this... we are discussing TATA and M&M.. the indian car cos..

directinjection · 14th June 2006, 14:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrous

Its totally wrong to have brought this up.

I love both Tata and Mahindra equally and respect both for their different attributes.

Yes,Scorpio is a good successful product.But still, Mahindra cannot be considered with just a single product which they renew and renew and upgrade and upgrade.....phew!

Tata on the other hand grew from TELCO(Tata Electrical and Locomotive Company) to what it is today.
Its still a class below its Japanese competition.But,its VFM anyday!

PS: This thread will create a 'coffee-toffee' argument. I'll bet on it!

The "E" in the earstwhile acronym TELCO stood for Engineering, not Electrical.

Your views about respecting both manufacturers deserve appeciation. Both are Indian after all. Let's hope they grow bigger and better, just like the Japs who were known as JUNK MERCHANTS once upon a time.

Coming to the vote, well mine goes to Tata since they have been doing for decades what Mahindra has been attempting in recent years (developing products indigenously, through own efforts instead of just getting obsolete products from abroad.) They've had a proper R&D centre and testing facilities since 1969!

maxbhp · 14th June 2006, 16:15

Rata Tata's vision to emerge as a leading car manufacturer is slowly looking more and more realistic. When it comes to active participation in International automotive meets , M & M is no where near Tata , Tata Aria was percieved by Automotive Industry with a lot of admiration. No one ever expected a car of that sort to come form Tata. Reasons may be partly due to Tata's enormous amout of cash reserves .

Though M & M is doing better in the overseas marketWhen it comes to product development its tough coz M & M is concentrating on improving their Scorpio(80% effort) where as Tata is concentrating on Safari / Indigo / Indica. The result is very obvious Scorpio is definetely a better and a more complete vehicle .
Tata is definitely improving their product quality but what fails to impress is the pace of development. If Toyota can source better plastics from Indian vendors why cant Tata ? Tata Rover - Small car Was really a turn off for Tata . They were literally shocked by its quality .

When it comes to sales figures both are doing exceptionally well with Indica literally rocking the charts month after month with 7000+ sales / month

Sideways · 14th June 2006, 16:29

TELCO = TELL EVERYONE LIES AND CARRY ON. I have owned and driven 2 Sierra's - the first one I bought when initially launched - drove it for 1,65,000 Kms and the second one with improved suspension (so they claimed) etc etc. which i used for 1,87,000 Kms. Had a slew of complaints right from suspension, electricals etc etc. Didnt have too much of a choice then and needed something better than the MM540 and therefore the choice. I now have a scorpio which has done 50,000 Km and is yet to show any signs of fatigue. The susupension in the older scorpio's (mines a leaf spring version non CRDE) might not be to everyones liking, but I have no complaints what so ever. mechanically the Scorpio is way ahead of any TATA prodcut available in the market and their after sales service is much better than TATA. My vote defineately goes to M&M.

pradkumar · 14th June 2006, 16:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by kpzen

In the engine deptt M&M scores more than TATA else both are same

I wholeheartedly agree. I have an acquaintance who has had a Scorpio bewitched with suspension issues. They have been unable to get to the root of the problem despite 2+ years of ownership.

speedzak · 14th June 2006, 17:22

It's like asking : You want yourself to be hanged or electrocuted?

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TATA	94	57.32%
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13th June 2006, 21:15	#1
DCEite Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: NCR Posts: 3,415 Thanked: 2,532 Times	TATA v/s M&M Well i thought of starting this topic after witnessing so many horror stories of TATA cars quality issues, both in and outsite the forum. Somehow, i dont hear too much bad for the other Indian manufacturer: Mahindra and Mahindra (M&M). Rarely i have heard people complaining about Scorpio's quality or breakdowns. Of course this maybe due to the fact, that M&M has only one vehicle in the passenger car market.. What do you people think. Given a choice, would you drive home a TATA Indica .. or an M&M Indica? Which one would you trust more?
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13th June 2006, 22:18	#2
jkdas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Thiruvananthapu Posts: 9,687 Thanked: 1,492 Times View My Garage	M&M is gonna try its hand on a new project; a sedan or so MUV ( I forgot ), kind of luxurious one in two years. I am yet to see/hear about a Tata quality problem with any of my friends car. But, I just hate the stability and hence the safety features of the Scorpio. And hence my vote for Tata. Truly a people's car manufacturer.
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13th June 2006, 22:21	#3
kb100 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bangy Boy! Posts: 1,555 Thanked: 21 Times	Somehow both are more or less in the same boat... hoever I have a feeling M&M lead by their attention to detail.. and perhaps a little more passion... though you are right about the numbers.. my vote goes for M&M.. I like their vehicles much better than TATA's - both fit and finish.. and sheer drivability!!
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13th June 2006, 23:14	#6
kpzen Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Faridabad Posts: 5,610 Thanked: 1,876 Times View My Garage	In the engine deptt M&M scores more than TATA else both are same
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14th June 2006, 00:30	#7
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,965 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	Its totally wrong to have brought this up. I love both Tata and Mahindra equally and respect both for their different attributes. Yes,Scorpio is a good successful product.But still, Mahindra cannot be considered with just a single product which they renew and renew and upgrade and upgrade.....phew! Tata on the other hand grew from TELCO(Tata Electrical and Locomotive Company) to what it is today. Its still a class below its Japanese competition.But,its VFM anyday! PS: This thread will create a 'coffee-toffee' argument. I'll bet on it!
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14th June 2006, 08:19	#8
islero Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chennai Posts: 1,574 Thanked: 13 Times View My Garage	My vote goes for Tata. They have acheived much more in a smaller space of time than Mahindra.
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14th June 2006, 13:44	#10
DCEite Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: NCR Posts: 3,415 Thanked: 2,532 Times	lets not get the Japanese into this... we are discussing TATA and M&M.. the indian car cos..
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14th June 2006, 16:15	#12
maxbhp Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: C C K Posts: 1,382 Thanked: 89 Times View My Garage	Rata Tata's vision to emerge as a leading car manufacturer is slowly looking more and more realistic. When it comes to active participation in International automotive meets , M & M is no where near Tata , Tata Aria was percieved by Automotive Industry with a lot of admiration. No one ever expected a car of that sort to come form Tata. Reasons may be partly due to Tata's enormous amout of cash reserves . Though M & M is doing better in the overseas marketWhen it comes to product development its tough coz M & M is concentrating on improving their Scorpio(80% effort) where as Tata is concentrating on Safari / Indigo / Indica. The result is very obvious Scorpio is definetely a better and a more complete vehicle . Tata is definitely improving their product quality but what fails to impress is the pace of development. If Toyota can source better plastics from Indian vendors why cant Tata ? Tata Rover - Small car Was really a turn off for Tata . They were literally shocked by its quality . When it comes to sales figures both are doing exceptionally well with Indica literally rocking the charts month after month with 7000+ sales / month Last edited by maxbhp : 14th June 2006 at 16:17.
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14th June 2006, 16:29	#13
Sideways BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Madras - India Posts: 641 Thanked: 31 Times View My Garage	TELCO = TELL EVERYONE LIES AND CARRY ON. I have owned and driven 2 Sierra's - the first one I bought when initially launched - drove it for 1,65,000 Kms and the second one with improved suspension (so they claimed) etc etc. which i used for 1,87,000 Kms. Had a slew of complaints right from suspension, electricals etc etc. Didnt have too much of a choice then and needed something better than the MM540 and therefore the choice. I now have a scorpio which has done 50,000 Km and is yet to show any signs of fatigue. The susupension in the older scorpio's (mines a leaf spring version non CRDE) might not be to everyones liking, but I have no complaints what so ever. mechanically the Scorpio is way ahead of any TATA prodcut available in the market and their after sales service is much better than TATA. My vote defineately goes to M&M.
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14th June 2006, 17:22	#15
speedzak BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: India Posts: 4,347 Thanked: 27 Times	It's like asking : You want yourself to be hanged or electrocuted?
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