Rumour: Tata Motors planning 2 SUVs with Land Rover inputs

aravind.anand · 8th February 2018, 09:22

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Originally Posted by varunswnt

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See, what I found in the official Tata video of H5X concept. There is a glimpse of 7 seater SUV. You will find this at 0:09 and 0:11 secs.

Well actually there is more than just the 7-seater variant there.

Looks like these concepts and their underlying platforms will spawn a series of cars.
There is a compact crossover right behind the 45X concept, and then a sedan behind them both.

On the SUV platform, the 7-seater H5X following the 5-seater concept, and then a Volvo Cross-country like crossover sedan??

Interesting days ahead for Tata in the Indian as well as the global market!

srishiva · 8th February 2018, 09:26

Well, its a concept ? What are they testing out on the roads then, just the mechanicals ?

They need to go easy on the rear of the car. Pull the rear glass bit down and remove the kink to make it a little flatter. On the other hand, the rear bumper seems small. Now a days cars have a huge bumper moving up to the waist line.

romeomidhun · 8th February 2018, 10:24

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Originally Posted by jaganpec2002

Any confirmed news that this 5-seater would compete with Creta?

Nope, all are pure assumptions.

Barring Fortuner and Innova, 16L+ segment is not a volume segment, though with fat margins. If Tata has to gain volumes (I assume they will be surely looking for that than being a mere presence in higher segments), it has to target the XUV segment with a proper 7-seater SUV. That should put its 5-seater version automatically in the Creta price range.

abhi7013 · 8th February 2018, 10:29

With people expecting the pricing to be between 10L-20L, am a bit confused! Maybe the 5-seater variant may start at around 18L on road. Going by Hexa's pricing, I am sure most of the variants will lie north side of the 20L mark. Expecting this vehicle to be anywhere between 10-15L is unthinkable! A difference of atleast 10L for the 7-seater variant might be possible compared to Hexa variant-wise, considering a years' inflation!

All this provided they provide all the components like the huge screen and touchpads as shown in the concept. For them to consider pricing it around 15L, they would definitely give the screen and other components a miss.

RavenAvi · 8th February 2018, 10:34

Credit to Afridi Jaleel.

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Originally Posted by varunswnt

See, what I found in the official Tata video of H5X concept. There is a glimpse of 7 seater SUV. You will find this at 0:09 and 0:11 secs.

I'd say, from left to right:

x451 sedan, next-gen Nexon, x451 hatch, H5X SUV, H7X SUV, premium sedan.

Holyghost · 8th February 2018, 10:54

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Originally Posted by discoverwild

Lovers of true blue old school SUVs, please step aside (includes me to a large extent). This is the new age. This is how the current generation loves their cars. This is what will sell.
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Clean lines look good. Will they sell enough?

What you said is true. When the majority loves the XUVs and the H5X, the business will have change their designs if they have to sell. For the rest of the minority, Atleast for now, most of the European and American designers are still not affected by this radical changes. Hope it stays that way for some more time.

nainan · 8th February 2018, 11:23

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Originally Posted by Holyghost

What you said is true. When the majority loves the XUVs and the H5X, the business will have change their designs if they have to sell. For the rest of the minority, Atleast for now, most of the European and American designers are still not affected by this radical changes. Hope it stays that way for some more time.

I think looking at the silhouette in the video:-

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and the test mules(which seem the 7 seater) it looks like the 7 seater is more traditional SUV somewhat like the Discovery Sport is a subtler more sober rendering of the Evoque's looks. So there might still be something for the less radical tastes.

Tstag · 8th February 2018, 19:32

OK seriously I can't believe TATA did that. Must be something JLR gave them lot's of help with. Seriously hope it comes to Europe. Will it get the JLR engines?

nainan · 8th February 2018, 20:06

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Originally Posted by Tstag

OK seriously I can't believe TATA did that. Must be something JLR gave them lot's of help with. Seriously hope it comes to Europe. Will it get the JLR engines?

No as per reports it will have a FIAT Multijet II 2.0 litre engine. The Ingeniums with JLR were too expensive

bijubalan · 8th February 2018, 20:33

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Originally Posted by RavenAvi

Confirmed by Hormazd - the H5X SUV will launch by early 2019, followed by the 45X hatchback in late 2019.

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Does BS VI ready means it would just need BS VI fuel to be compliant with the norm or will it require any plug and play systems to be installed? Any idea.? I wish it does not mean that they will launch BS VI compliant newer versions when it is enforced.

Konkrilla · 8th February 2018, 21:27

i was proud when i got the hexa it made me walk with my head held high
Now this H5X makes me walk with the chest out arms out wide

what a design i am sure all other manufacturer designers summer vacation is cancelled

RavenAvi · 18th February 2018, 14:09

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Originally Posted by BHaskar_AS

The logo is seen clearly in the last photo of this post as well.
Am I missing something here?

Go through the previous pages of this thread. Tata has been testing the Q50x twins under the Discovery body shell.

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Originally Posted by mallumowgli

The glass area looks quite different from the one at the Expo. Is this really the Q501?

The top hat is Discovery's. The underpinnings of the test car are of the Q50x.

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Originally Posted by condor

How are these mules related to the displayed concept ? or was the concept just that ? I still dont think that the new models will resemble the LR Discovery too much.

The concept is just that. They are not using the concept for testing or road trials. The end-product will have the underpinnings, suspension & engine calibration of these test mules, with a different top hat which resembles the H5X concept.

abhi7013 · 18th February 2018, 14:50

Why can't these test mules be for an upgrade of the discovery itself? We're talking of fiat's engine also. Not sure testing with new engine in the old body means much!

nainan · 20th February 2018, 17:56

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Originally Posted by abhi7013

Why can't these test mules be for an upgrade of the discovery itself? We're talking of fiat's engine also. Not sure testing with new engine in the old body means much!

For one the mules are shod with much less premium tyres(Hexa style) than what one would expect on an LR. Secondly this is not the first time that a mule has been built using the body of another car Link

abhi7013 · 23rd February 2018, 11:03

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Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Bound to happen when prices overlap.

Just the same way Compass and Creta gets compared to XUV 5OO and Hexa.

Actually i meant comparing with regards to the cabin space. Is it not obvious that a 7 seater will have a bigger and spacious cabin than 5 seaters?

8th February 2018, 09:26	#422
srishiva Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 4,375 Thanked: 2,256 Times	Re: Rumour: Tata Motors planning 2 SUVs with Land Rover inputs Well, its a concept ? What are they testing out on the roads then, just the mechanicals ? They need to go easy on the rear of the car. Pull the rear glass bit down and remove the kink to make it a little flatter. On the other hand, the rear bumper seems small. Now a days cars have a huge bumper moving up to the waist line.
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8th February 2018, 10:29	#424
abhi7013 BHPian Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Bangalore Posts: 799 Thanked: 1,782 Times	Re: Rumour: Tata Motors planning 2 SUVs with Land Rover inputs With people expecting the pricing to be between 10L-20L, am a bit confused! Maybe the 5-seater variant may start at around 18L on road. Going by Hexa's pricing, I am sure most of the variants will lie north side of the 20L mark. Expecting this vehicle to be anywhere between 10-15L is unthinkable! A difference of atleast 10L for the 7-seater variant might be possible compared to Hexa variant-wise, considering a years' inflation! All this provided they provide all the components like the huge screen and touchpads as shown in the concept. For them to consider pricing it around 15L, they would definitely give the screen and other components a miss.
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Tstag BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Coventry Posts: 73 Thanked: 9 Times	Re: Rumour: Tata Motors planning 2 SUVs with Land Rover inputs OK seriously I can't believe TATA did that. Must be something JLR gave them lot's of help with. Seriously hope it comes to Europe. Will it get the JLR engines?
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Konkrilla Newbie Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 7 Thanked: 100 Times	Re: Rumour: Tata Motors planning 2 SUVs with Land Rover inputs i was proud when i got the hexa it made me walk with my head held high Now this H5X makes me walk with the chest out arms out wide what a design i am sure all other manufacturer designers summer vacation is cancelled
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18th February 2018, 14:50	#433
abhi7013 BHPian Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Bangalore Posts: 799 Thanked: 1,782 Times	Why can't these test mules be for an upgrade of the discovery itself? We're talking of fiat's engine also. Not sure testing with new engine in the old body means much!
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