[extreme_torque]

Originally Posted by zenren

Wouldn't the 1.4 engine be costlier than the 1.1 even if both are eligible for tax benefits?

I do agree that they should consider 1.4 if they don't achieve considerable savings by using the 1.1L, since Dzire is 1.3L and Amaze is 1.5L.

Best bet for them would be to give 1.1L for the base variants and introduce a 1.4L engine at least for the fully loaded top variant. They did this with the 1.1/1.2 Kappa for the i10.

Yes it will be but I dont think Hyundai has an option here. The engine not only looses out in pure power terms, the torque rating is a lot lower as well especially compared to Amaze. Besides a sedan with 1.1 liter engine in a spec sheet doesn't look good when compared to the competition.

[zenren]

Originally Posted by extreme_torque

Besides a sedan with 1.1 liter engine in a spec sheet doesn't look good when compared to the competition.

Indian car buyer, especially in the lower segments is a strange group. A lot of them buy the car to park it in their car porch/parking lot. They use their 2 wheelers for most of the routine stuff. For such people, engine power and FE doesn't matter at all. The size and price alone matters, in this case the 'sedan' shape and the cheapest price tag, as long as their neighbours don't realize the cheap aspect of it. So it should be cheap but it shouldn't look cheap or feel cheap.

If a 1.2L petrol i20 can sell in India, so can a 1.1L compact sedan.

[Vid6639]

I agree with the other. This Grand i10 based sedan needs to have the 1.4L diesel engine from i20 and not the 1.1L found in the hatch. If they plonk the 1.1L it will be difficult to market against the i20.

But will the 1.4L fit into this engine bay or is this engine bay designed for the 1.4L? That's the deciding factor.

It sure does look well proportioned when compared to the Dzire and Amaze.

[zenren]

Originally Posted by Vid6639

I agree with the other. This Grand i10 based sedan needs to have the 1.4L diesel engine from i20 and not the 1.1L found in the hatch. If they plonk the 1.1L it will be difficult to market against the i20.

But will the 1.4L fit into this engine bay or is this engine bay designed for the 1.4L? That's the deciding factor.

Its nothing new for them:
i10 - 1.1 & 1.2
i20 - 1.2 & 1.4
Verna- 1.4 & 1.6

Hyundai is known for offering bigger engines for the higher variants and it might be the same even here if the engine bay can accommodate it. Probably D-Lite/Era with the 1.1L and Magna/Sportz/Asta with 1.4L. That'll help them undercut others in terms of pricing since base model will have the smaller engine and the associated cost benefits while all the performance benchmarks would be made with the fully loaded Asta variant.

BTW, does Grand i10 1.1L have FGT or VGT?

[dark.knight]

The Accent name is welcome, although it may create a little confusion initially what with the i10sh looks. I really hope that they have reduced the vehicle height to around 1490mm to give it better ride balance and proportions. The existing 1520mm will be awkward.

As for the 1.1U2 engine, lets not forget it was designed for and first implemented into i20 in 2010 when its testing was done. The engine debuted in the i20 in Europe with lowest co2 emissions and was praised for its linear torque and very low vibration due to its helical gear run balancer shafts. In India to maintain competitive pricing without competing with 2015 i20 which will be superior vehicle, the 1.4 motor ideally shouldn't be put in.

[swiftnfurious]

Originally Posted by dark.knight

...In India to maintain competitive pricing without competing with 2015 i20 which will be superior vehicle, the 1.4 motor ideally shouldn't be put in.

Two reasons why I think it will be the same 1.4L 90 bhp engine.

1. Competition has NOT caught up yet. Most of the competition still offer a less than 90 bhp engine.

2. Using a 1.6L engine will NOT help i20 gain the tax benefits.

[rohan_iitr]

Originally Posted by Vid6639

But will the 1.4L fit into this engine bay or is this engine bay designed for the 1.4L? That's the deciding factor.

Hyundai managed to fit the 1.5L diesel engine in the Getz.

Since Grand i10 has dimensions very similar to Getz, I am optimistic that Hyundai would easily manage to fit the 1.4L diesel engine in Grand i10 sedan.

A compact sedan with 1.1L 3-cylinder diesel engine would be a joke.

Rohan

[swiftnfurious]

Originally Posted by zenren

...BTW, does Grand i10 1.1L have FGT or VGT?

VGT :: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_U_engine

[skyfire2892]

I read in many reports that grand i10's bay cannot fit 1.4L so it is highely unlikely that the car comes with 1.4L though it deserves it!
Moreover due to positioning Hyundai will be playing the FE card(grand i10 gives 24kmpl) or they may increase figures by 3-4 BHP.

It would be expected that certain points are improved like integrated neck restraints, FE/DTE counter in MID etc.

Grand i10: 3765 mm
Honda Brio: 3610 mm
Honda had comparatively more length available to integrate boot so let's see how proportionate grand i10 looks

[extreme_torque]

Originally Posted by zenren

If a 1.2L petrol i20 can sell in India, so can a 1.1L compact sedan.

The question is not whether it can sell, the question is whether it can sell to its potential given the whimpy 1.1 liter diesel engine. I don't think the car buying public will except a 1.1 liter petrol sedan either.

[Prodigy07]

As per the Scoop pictures in page 4, I can see Rear Disk Brakes in VTVT version. Which means Hyundai would plonk the 1.4 Gamma Engine?

[swiftnfurious]

Originally Posted by Prodigy07

As per the Scoop pictures in page 4, I can see Rear Disk Brakes in VTVT version. Which means Hyundai would plonk the 1.4 Gamma Engine?

With an AT may be - straight from i20! That would be ideal since Dzire also has an AT version and Amaze (?) too.

[zenren]

Originally Posted by Prodigy07

As per the Scoop pictures in page 4, I can see Rear Disk Brakes in VTVT version. Which means Hyundai would plonk the 1.4 Gamma Engine?

Originally Posted by swiftnfurious

With an AT may be - straight from i20! That would be ideal since Dzire also has an AT version and Amaze (?) too.

Doesn't Hyundai already have an AT box for the 1.2 Kappa, which was available in previous gen i10?

Why would they think of plonking in the 1.4L engine and thereby attract the higher tax bracket? There is no way they can price that AT competitively when Dzire and Amaze are eligible for tax concessions while Hyundai is not.

I would expect the 1.2L AT.

[skyfire2892]

Found this on a forum. Don't know if it's a render of real image.

[girishglg]

Looking at the above picture and if it is real, this side angle really looks very disproportionate and the worst looking among all the other compact sedans in our market

Hope they have something better in offer since it would be a rather good package in terms of features, mechanicals and price and would be a strong player in this segment.