[audioholic]

You can find the 'Limited edition' available for a long time in dealer stockyards

Just another variant refresh by TM. They should understand that whatever may be the jargon they give such as 'Drive-pro', 'Drive tech' and so on, passers by will still call the car an Indica. I think 2015 will be too late to launch the Falcon range. They are rapidly losing sales which may not push another year. Guess its better they concentrate more on improving their Taxi market, which again seems to be going south. No taxi driver I have spoken to, whether currently owning a Tata or not, vouches for the reliablity of the current gen offering, whereas theres a demand for age old indicas even today. Hence, quality and reliablity should also be focussed rather than just equipment and tech.

[Maverick1977]

This is something which Tata's should have done much earlier. Its a sad case of too few things coming too late. However what they need right now is an image change more than a change in the product.
I am just happy to see the Blue colour come back. They had that colour in the beginning and for reasons best known to them it was discontinued. The car looked pretty cool in that colour though.

[directinjection]

Originally Posted by JayPrashanth

Tata Motors is already in the middle of the 2016 Vista's design. Wait till you guys see it. It is a massive step forward. Completely new design language. Falcon 4 is cold tea in comparison. That's it for now.

Cheers,

Jay

Will they display it at Auto Expo next month?

[GrammarNazi]

I feel like this is a step backwards.

First they offer the Vista with a proper dashboard and a VGT (90PS) at a VFM price tag, now they take back the VGT and put some exterior stickering. Apart from that they've even removed some other good stuff.

IMO most people wouldn't know about this and they'd presume it as some after-market stickering like taxi guy's usually fancy.

[RSR]

CarToq's scoop pictures of the Nano Twist show an improved instrument cluster. The fuel and temperature gauges are now progressive digital bars mimicking an analogue style meter (just like on the Eon) and the odo & trip meters and clock seem to have an orange-ish display against a black background. This is a welcome change.



It also looks like the steel wheels have been painted black (finally) on the variant with full wheel covers. I wonder what took Tata so long to realise a thing as simple as wheel covers looking better on black wheels as opposed to silver ones. On the topic of wheels, I wish Tata increase the width of the rims to 4.5", so that a tyre upgrade to 145/70R12 (front & spare) and 165/60R12 (rear) becomes possible. The current 4 B x 12" rims are less than the minimum recommended width for 165/60R12 tyres. At least the front tyres (and spare) can now be upgraded, thanks to the power steering drastically reducing effort to turn the wheels.

Tata Motors' lethargy and lackadaisical attitude towards the Nano are mainly responsible for the sad sales numbers of this wonderful little car. If only they showed the same enthusiasm in churning out variants of the Nano as they did for the Vista/Manza, the sales number would have been much healthier than a paltry 500+ for the month of Dec. 2013. Only in 2014 do they have a model with power steering. This should have been out way back in 2012. And the 2012 model's many welcome changes should have come out much earlier than that.

Even now, the Twist lacks three-point rear seatbelts, as the rear passengers have to do with two-point lapbelts, which aren't as safe. And it doesn't look like front disc brakes have been included in the Twist, either. We may have to wait until next year for such necessary additions.

The rumours (inside information?) about the Nano diesel being shelved aren't confidence inspiring. There is definitely demand for a proper, comfortable and safe car with extremely low running costs and the Nano diesel would have fit the bill perfectly, as long as the NVH remains acceptable. Why shelve the project at this advanced stage?

Even Bajaj believe there is such a demand, and lobbied hard to sell their unsafe, uncomfortable contraption for private use (the RE 60 is nothing but a four-wheeled autorickshaw, and deserves to be nothing more than a replacement for the crude, three-wheeled Bajaj contraptions plying on the roads).

[JayPrashanth]

Originally Posted by RSR

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At least the front tyres (and spare) can now be upgraded, thanks to the power steering drastically reducing effort to turn the wheels.

Dear RSR,

Front tyres on the Nano are narrower to induce understeer. The front washing out (understeer) is a more controllable situation for most drivers than the tail stepping out (oversteer). So, adding the power steering isn't likely to result in wider front tyres.

Cheers,

Jay

Originally Posted by directinjection

Will they display it at Auto Expo next month?

Falcon 4 on display at the Expo. All-new Vista (2016) in the design studio.

Cheers,

Jay

[GrammarNazi]

Tata Motors released this video teaser of what we should expect from this years Auto-Expo :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxD8...e_gdata_player

I believe this is going to be a sneak peak into the Human Machine Interface (that the original Falcon 4 is expected to come with in 2016), being partly implemented now in 2014.

Mods : I'm posting from mobile, kindly embed the video.

Regards.

[RSR]

Originally Posted by JayPrashanth

Dear RSR,

Front tyres on the Nano are narrower to induce understeer. The front washing out (understeer) is a more controllable situation for most drivers than the tail stepping out (oversteer). So, adding the power steering isn't likely to result in wider front tyres.

I do understand the need for a staggered tyre set-up on the rear-engined, rear-wheel drive Nano, JayPrashanth. Understeer is safer, and certainly preferable to oversteer on a car like the Nano. Tata did the right thing by giving a staggered set-up, even if it seems very odd to the layman.

I'm also advocating a staggered set-up with the after-market tyre upgrade to 145/70R12s at the front (& spare) and 165/60R12s at the rear. As long as there is no fouling/scraping of the tyres anywhere, this set-up is better than the current one. Here's why:

Current set-up overall diameter - 493.8 mm (for 135/70R12) at the front (& spare) and 506.3 mm (for 155/65R12) at the rear

Upgrade overall diameter - 507.8 mm (for 145/70R12) at the front (& spare) and 502.8 mm (for 165/60R12) at the rear

The difference between the overall diameter of the rear tyre and that of the spare is currently a significant 12.5 mm. This requires a bit of caution while driving with the spare at the rear. With the upgrade, the difference reduces to 5 mm, which is better. Good quality tyres, such as 145/70R12 Michelin XM2s at the front and 165/60R12 Yokohama C.drives at the rear would also significantly improve braking, cornering & ride quality and greatly reduce tyre noise.

Mounting 165/60R12s on rims of 4" width is not recommended (which is why I wanted them to give 4.5" wide rims). Even now, a slightly staggered set-up of 145/70R12s at the front (& spare) and 155/65R12s at the rear can be used on the stock steel rims. This would reduce the difference in diameter to a mere 1.5 mm, which is perfectly manageable when the spare is used at the rear. With power steering, the turning effort would not matter much. Braking should also improve with good quality shoes. But this set-up may not be recommended as it may not be able to induce adequate understeer.

[knaveen]

Originally Posted by S@ndy

On the interiors front, it would have the same dashboard, equipment and features as the recently discontinued Vista D90 but the catch here is that the 1.3 MJD would produce 75 HP instead of 90 HP in the D90.

Source

Keep revvin'
S@ndy

Who's saying that D90 is discontinued?. The Vista site still lists it. Heck its on the flash banner for the Vista Microsite.

There is a thread on the same in the below link:
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...ntinued-2.html

[deep_bang]

Well. To me, any new car that looks like Vista and shares the same name is not going to work wonders for Tata. But if they need a bridge between current Vista and the next generation car, this looks fine. I still wish they had changed just the looks and make it look like a new car instead.

[rajchetan]

Is this all they have been able to work on for the past two years... Whom are they trying to FOOL?

This is nothing more then giving themselves a False Satisfactions. No one other than TATA is going to loose. As all the customers are Feed-up with TATA & in particular the INDICA.

Guys be ready to See TATA Motors come further down the sales Charts in this year. Only hope the damage done is repairable.

[chittybang]

I am thoroughly confused. Now they have a vista tech that is getting introduced and according the brochure that does have the christmas tree lights. later they will get a falcon 4 with new lights and interior changes which means this is another face lift and then a falcon 5. Is this the order.

[volkman10]

TATA VISTA TECH details, targets Swif's in specifications.

Tata will launch the Vista Tech in four variants – LS TDI, LS Quadrajet, LX TDI and VX Tech Quadrajet. The LS TDI and LX TDI are powered by the 1.4-liter four-cylinder engine producing 71 PS and 135.4 Nm of torque. The other variants draw their power from the Fiat-sourced 1.3-liter MultiJet engine producing 75 PS and 190 Nm of torque. Tata has stopped offering this engine in the 90 PS guise

http://indianautosblog.com/2014/01/2...details-112077

[Maverick79]

Originally Posted by volkman10

TATA VISTA TECH details, targets Swif's in specifications.

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http://indianautosblog.com/2014/01/2...details-112077

On the features list, all of them are a straight fit from Manza except the Sat. Nav I guess.
Good move by Tata.
Suspension improvement is a huge welcome.
Clutch effort was already lighter to the optimum levels in Manza. Hope this is also a carry over from manza. Quantative comparision may validate the same.


Regards,
Maverick79.

[volkman10]

Tata Motors Launches Vista Tech, Priced From Rs. 5.01 Lakhs ex Mumbai / 5.99 lakhs ex Delhi

Tata Motors has launched the Vista Tech in India, priced between Rs. 5.01 lakhs (for the base LS variant), going up to Rs. 6.19 lakhs (for the top-end Vista VX Tech trim) making significant room for the upcoming Flacon 4 to sit above the Vista Tech.

The highlight of the new variant is its 6.5 inch TFT touchscreen based multimedia system designed for audio (radio and CD), video (DVD), USB, Blue-5 (Bluetooth pairing with upto 5 different mobile phones), AUX-IN and advanced GPS navigation system.

http://www.motorbeam.com/cars/tata-v...Fm6Y0ADhZS3.99]