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Originally Posted by shashanka Dual mass fly-wheels (used by M&M in the TUV, I believe) and Lanchester balancer shafts as well as counter-balanced crankshafts are some of the solutions resorted to in order to tackle vibration issues. |
Roger that. My concern is about how well this has been mated to the engine. Did some reading up and the summary was that you have to get everything just about right to ensure that the DMF does not wear out early. And the fact that Quanto did not use a DMF makes me worry that this is new ground for M&M and the first buyers will be guinea pigs
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About maintenance costs I believe these to be a factor of individual driving habits and just how conscientious one is about following the PMS once the warranty period is over!
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My reason for asking about maintenance costs it to get a comparison with MSIL. Not sure how expensive M&M is when compared to MSIL.
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Originally Posted by DicKy The only thing lacking for me in the TUV300 is an engine with more oomph and option of a proper 4X4. |
Agree that more oomph would have made this tank a real charger
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~40 km test drive of the tank today, which included city traffic in a mix of roads as well as relatively empty 6 lane stretch. My feedback:
Drove the T8 manual which had done 3.5k KM Engine & Power
- In 1st & 2nd gear, the engine sounds very strained when you rev over 3K RPM. Get to the 4th & 5th gears and you can easily push it to the 4K rpm mark. After that, there is no real increase in acceleration and the noise in the cabin gets pretty loud
- Driving in 2nd and 3rd gear in city traffic is easy. There is more than enough torque on offer and all you have to do is ensure that you keep the car in the power band of 1.5-2.8K RPM
- ESS can be a real pain. Stop for a few seconds behind a car and suddenly you find that traffic is moving and others are honking at you. The few seconds that it takes to depress the clutch fully and the engine to start feels like a minute and you get some dirty stares
- Getting to 100 kmph is easy and you don't really have to do much but hitting the 120 mark takes a little patience
- Once you hit 120, the car easily cruises at speed and the engine does not feel stressed. This is based on my 3-4 min ride at 120 kmph but I don't think cruising at 120-130 speeds will be a problem
Clutch, Steering & Gear
- The clutch was soft (maybe due to 3.5K km of use)
- The gear level does vibrate and at high speeds, you can clearly feel it. Having said that, even my wagonR level does vibrate at 120 and I am not very concerned
- Gear throws are not as short as the grand i10/elite but not very long either - Slotting was also pretty easy but reverse is another story. Need to ensure that you push the gear lever to the extreme right before you slot into reverse
- The steering is neither heavy nor light. Feels just about right and weighs up nicely at higher speeds
- One section of the road was very uneven and had short undulations like when rumblers have been removed but the surface has not been relaid. I was driving at 90-100 kmph and the steering began to oscillate a little, which was unexpected as all this while it was pretty solid. what could be causing this?
Ride, Handling & NVH
- All round visibility is good and the car is easy to handle even in tight traffic. I expected it to be hard to manoeuvre but was able to take a couple of tight turns as well as 2 U turns with relative ease.
- Engine noise is very subdued till you cross the 3K RPM mark and even after that at high gears, its more of a growl than a whine. Can live with that as long as the windows are up
- Suspension soaks up a lot of road defects and the sound it makes is a muted reassuring thud and not a crashing sound
- The tank swallows up small potholes and broken roads and you hardly feel a thing as long as you are you are doing 20+ kmph
- Slowed down to ~10kmph for a couple of speed breakers and car seemed to wallow a little.Felt a little like floating in a boat on a small wave and was a little unsettling
- Road intersections, BBMP mini tunnels and other road depressions are not transmitted into the cabin but sometimes when there is a slight difference in surface level, the car tends to bounce a bit
- The front seats are the best place to be and the comfort level is on par with most premium hatchbacks. Adjustable lumbar support is a good thing and should come in handy during long drives
- wind noise starts seeping in at 90+ kmph speeds but the Czars were very quiet
Other smaller things
- Contoured steering feels good to hold and the front seats are very comfortable
- Parking sensors work well and its pretty easy to reverse the tank
- Everything falls to hand pretty easy but the centraly mounted power window switches will need getting used to
- Speakers are just about OK and if you are finicky about the note, you will need an upgrade
- Quality of stalks and buttons are pretty decent and on par with competition
- Overall the glass area seems smaller than that of the wagonR or even the ertiga if I ignore the rear quarter panel glass
- The storage space under the drivers seat in the T8 is a neat add on
- Under-body protection exists only below the engine bay in the form of hard plastic sheet
- Fuel tank does not have any kind of protection from elements on the road
Will I buy the TUV 300? Not sure. My heart is in love but my head is rattling off the merits of the ertiga over the tank. Need to sleep on it a little more and test drive some more before I decide to invest