Re: Soon, affordable Hybrid cars from Maruti! Quote:
Originally Posted by scopriobharath Do you think hybrid cars will work in India when driven in bumper to bumper traffic, say being used as a daily office commute. The average speed of driving in India is 20 kmph durng peak hours / in business district.
Say I commute to work between 9-6 in any city. Hybrid mode works below 20-25 kmph , post which the "engine" kicks in. In say Bangalore or Chennai or Mumbai, the average vehicle moves only at that speed.
This would give minimum or no time for the battery to charge back. I dont think it will work. Hybrid would work in foreign countries, where there are reduced speed limits fora temporary period (say consturction)and then the speed is upto 60 mph. This is when a hybrid works. Hybrid also works at parking in shopping malls and similar where the speed is less. - I hope the hybrid in this scenario means a true hybrid like the Prius and not some gimmick like "Micro Hybrid" . |
Having driven a Toyota Prius in the US for over 8 years, I can assure you that Indian conditions are perfect for hybrids. More stop and go traffic you have, the better mileage the hybrid system provides. Battery charging doesn't work in the manner assumed here. Whenever the driver takes his/ her foot off the accelerator, the battery gets charged by the motion of the car. In addition, when you brake, regenerative braking charges the battery. If your speed remains low for a long time, say over 10 minutes at a time stuck in a jam, then the car would remain mostly on battery till the battery gets low. After this time, the car will simply start the engine a bit more often till the battery gets charged a little bit more, that's all. It might run on petrol only for say 5 minutes after being stuck/ very slow for every 15 minutes. Hence the result is that if you have a slow down or a stoppage of say 3-4 minutes followed by a drive of say 1-2 kms, your battery gets charged normally. If you have a prolonged slow down, then you would simply run your petrol engine for about 30% of the time to charge the battery. This is still much better than running it 100% of the time you are stuck in traffic. 20 km per hour is perfect as every slow down and stop would charge the battery. You would end up driving about 50-60% on battery under these conditions and your mileage would improve drastically. In addition, when you are stopped, the hybrid is completely silent and is wasting very little battery.
In the US one often gets stuck in traffic jams that last for several hours and the hybrids provide excellent mileage under those conditions. Of course one needs to drive a hybrid with a very soft touch. If you accelerate quickly, the petrol engine kicks in quite often. Still, a hybrid would provide superior mileage under all conditions- even in pure non stop highway driving. I consistently got around 55 miles per gallon (23 kmpl) from my Prius and in stop and go driving my mileage would increase much more! Quote:
Originally Posted by scopriobharath If they are going to add a battery pack for extra 35 kms range, Then I am sure it will be a market Dud. For maintaining the battery and also paying a higher initial cost, I am better off paying for Fuel for that extra 25 kms.
In USA, cruising speed is 70 mph or 112 kmh. In india, The safe speed to travel around 80-90 kmph only. So, in a 1.5 4 cylinder motor, one cylinder can be cut out and it could function as a 3 cylinder 1.2 cylinder motor. today, a 1.2 motor can easily do 80-90kmph cruise. |
Cruising speed in the US is not 70 mph. Very few highways have this speed and only in stretches. Most highways have a speed limit of 55 to 65 mph. In any case, that doesn't mean that one simply drives at this speed throughout the country. Cities have much lower speeds with a lot of street lights and slow traffic. It is common to be stuck in a traffic jam of several hours on highways and when getting in and out of major cities. As one example, you can be stuck in a jam of 30 minutes to 1 hour (even 2 hours on bad days) to get in to or out of San Francisco or Los Angeles. You might be able to cruise at 70 mph in the desert of Arizona but you won't be able to do that in New York City just like you can cruise at 100 kmph on Yamuna Expressway but not while crossing Mumbai.
Hybrid batteries do not require any maintenance. The range isn't 25 kms. In fact you can only go about 2-4 kms on a fully charged battery and that too if you drive very slowly. The benefit is that your engine shuts down the moment you step off the accelerator and is also off during stoppages like traffic signals. In a minute, the engine can switch on and off dozens of times and the driver doesn't even notice it. This alone means that the engine if off around 30% of the time which increase your mileage significantly. In addition, you remain on battery for slow stop and go and the engine has to provide less power as it is supplemented by the electric motor. Finally, it takes a lot of energy to move the car from a stop. In a hybrid, this is done using the electric motor and the petrol engine kicks in after you attain a speed of around 40-50 kms. This saves a lot of fuel.
Last edited by Lobogris : 24th September 2014 at 21:22.
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