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Originally Posted by JD1 Great points. I personally was planning for a City/Ciaz but looking at Bangalore traffic, decided to instead go for the under-4 m segment (Xcent). Enthusiasts can loathe as much as they can on the 4-m rule resulting in not-so-fascinating looking cars (subjective), but unless our road network is improved, any additional space saved by compact sedans is space earned to squeeze in additional 2 bikes (especially Bangalore bikers who can put auto-rickshaws to shame in how they can squeeze in). |
Thanks for your comment.
This happened for our family as well, where mom wanted a sedan but father was just not confident of handling a big car like the Ciaz or the City and the parking hazzles they would bring (including reversing into our garage). Xcent was the perfect answer to all those and much more.
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Originally Posted by JD1 Interestingly, Swift and Dzire sell almost the same; Amaze is way better than Brio (plus diesel engine) and sells way more than Brio, Xcent is better than Grand i10 but below i20 and both i10/i20 sell more than Xcent. |
Xcent needs a bigger diesel powerplant against the 1.5 and 1.3 engined competition, and Hyundai seems to have understood this already.
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Originally Posted by acidkill Wow thats a lot of effort. Did you get a compact sedan recently? |
Thanks.
We have one in the family. The Xcent SX(o). Bought for parents and I really was not in favour of the segment back then - but it has really grown on me. My personal car is a Punto and the Xcent does almost everything better than it other than being fun to drive.
More space, more boot space, automatic option, so many gadgets - yet the same price tag. Should say that it has changed my thought process a bit.
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Originally Posted by acidkill Car status once upon a time belonged to the sedan in India. Now, i think that has changed. Anything south of the luxury brands is passe. And there is stratification even within the products of Audi BMW Merc and JLR.
Even among the non luxe brands Anything south of Rs 20 lakh today is not really considered a car of any status. So lets not talk status at all. |
As I mentioned in an earlier comment - this depends on where you stand. In a country where only 5% households own cars and more than 50% dont have the privilege of owning any form of transport - your statement only holds true for the very cream of our society.
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Originally Posted by acidkill CS is a mass product. And it is here to stay because
1. It comes down to the tax advantage that CS has.
2. The CS is based on a model that exists in other parts of the world (except for the Zest). The making of the CS is probably India specific strategy
3. The reducing purchasing power of the ruppee thanks to inflation and rupee depreciation, has brought otherwise budget C - segment buyers to this CS product. Let us not forget that CS evolved as competitive option against cars like Fiesta Classic, iKon, Accent and Etios. It was never intended to compete with City, Vento or Ciaz.
4. Relative acceptance of the shape: Just as in the US where the Camry is the staple car, the Corolla is called a compact and still smaller sedans are called a compromise; So as in India, the staple is the City/Ciaz/Vento and the compact is the various CS i guess |
Very valid points all! And true about the US market. Infact, I do get to see a lot of foreign nationals as part of wife's previous employment - and I can assure you that they frown upon cars like the City or the Ciaz. Surprisingly - majority of them drive a Scorpio or the Innova.
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Originally Posted by SouraC Great compilation of all the facts and figures, now it’s up to the people to decide what they want to go for.
Commendable job done by you CrAzY dRiVeR.
Its a fact that the sub 4 meter started as disproportionate, made in need kind of a design but the segment has evolved quite a lot. Previously people were sceptical about going for them but as the segment started to mature and people found purpose, it seems there is nothing to stop it now.
If we concentrate on the MOM numbers it seems that more and more people are getting inclined to this segment. The segment was created to escape a tax implication but now so many followers of the same and I hope no mature person can think all of those people are foolish enough to be misled. |
Thank you.
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Originally Posted by arnabchak Status is how you and your immediate vicinity sees you.
A 20 lac SUV in a posh Worli is equivalent to probably a Dzire in Kalyan!! |
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Originally Posted by chncar But our country big enough to have all types, and you would be surprised how many first time car buyers go for compact sedans over a hatchback for 50k less or a proper sedan for 1L more. |
Well said.
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Originally Posted by Engine_Roars I own an Xcent. I bought a car even before I own a home. For me, buying a car was not about my status, it was more about my needs, my priorities. I started off with test driving various Hatchbacks and ended up buying a CS. Why? Simply because it ticked almost all of my requirements. I did not care about what enthusiasts think about it, I did not care if its a hatchback or a Compact Sedan. The car was supposed to suit my requirements and Xcent did. Period. |
Our Xcent SX(o) AT ticket all 10 /10 of our requirements for replacing the car for parents.
1. Had to be an automatic transmission.
2. Should be a newer model in the market.
3. Should feel like an upgrade from our old WagonR VXi.
4. Wait, not just an upgrade, but a sedan this time - Mom only had this one requirement.
5. Sedan? But it should be a small car with a good turning radius, otherwise U_turn into our garage could becoming a tricky affair on a daily basis - Father's only requirement.
6. Reversing sensor / Camera - This U_turn into our garage is going to be a very tight one, and any electronic assistance would be great.
7. ABS and airbags.
8. Quality & Feel good factor - Wife only had this one requirement!
9. Good looks - And I had this one additional requirement over and above the feel good factor.
10 Good service network.