I truly hand it to you sir, you seem to be really good at twisting facts and arriving at a conclusion the other person never intended.
Either you have completely misunderstood my points or just dont want to accept them. Your wish, entirely.
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Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR Sir, the discussion is about the Fiat Punto Evo Abarth.
You brought the VW 'tech' discussion to the table. You brought the 1.4 FIRE to the table to justify the pricing for the VW tech in the GT.
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That point was raised in response to YOUR view that the tsi was better to drive than the FIRE. I merely stated that is due to the tech involved. Please let me know if the reason is something else.
That one point was only about these two cars,their price differential, and why the lower displacement tsi was more costly. There was no abarth is this one point, and u chose to drag it in.
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Right? So, now what is the point you are trying to make?
1. You started off with argument that FIAT doesn't bring anything to the table in the Abarth other than 'engine borrowed from slow seller' and a 'lousy driving position' and a 'horrible gearbox'
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Factually, is any of that wrong? The driving position and ergonomics of the car have been questioned by almost all mags, reviewers and people who have used it. If it works for you. Good. That doesn't make it perfect for everyone else.
Again, even if a thousand people like it, last heard, I was still entitled to my opinion. And i stick by it.
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2. You say you appreciate FIAT for bringing out the product, but its too late and it should have come long back.
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Now appreciating Fiat is the problem. Nice.
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3. You question my experience with the car in making comparisons, but yet consider yourself experienced since you have had experiences with GTX and a Punto that was taken back for quality issues. While none of us have experience with Abarth.
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Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR Still-
1. It's way less powerful
2. Slower inspite of the lightening quick DSG.
3. Has handling at par with the Punto with raised suspension. Remains to be seen if it can match the Punto Abarth with lowered and stiffened springs.
4. Can't hold a candle to the hydraulic steering of the Punto.
5. Doesn't over any advantage in the braking department over the regular Polo inspite of having additional 30ps.
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Originally Posted by JayD
How long have you driven the Punto abarth for? If you have penned your driving experience on the forum, kindly do share the link, i seem to have missed it. Thank you.
P.S: Try owning a rare/out of production Fiat. You will share what I've gone thru. Its no fun having to scavenge scrap yards or cut up a car to keep other cars running.
A 2002 santro/city/Wagon R can still be serviced at the A.S.S, with all original parts. Is it wrong to expect the same with a Fiat?
The car offers a good driving experience, hence sticking to it.
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The way you raised your points, so confiently pushing down the TSI, one cant help but wonder if you are well experienced with the car.
I have not put down the reviews by other users, I just asked if YOU have driven it.
Like other points, you have twisted it to something else.
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4. And while referring to those who are driven the car - You refuse to accept that the pre-production model shown will have comparable performance to the production version, and that production version will be lousy.
I'm lost as to what is the point you are conveying here?
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Here is what Bertrand D'souza of Overdrive mag has to say,
"P.S: the Punto Abarth I drove is a prototype and is still undergoing changes"
CD, Do you know what changes are being done? If not, how can you assume all of that will be good?
Please stop twisting facts. Do have a look at what I have told below. Where have i said the final version will be 'Lousy'?
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Originally Posted by JayD Every mag review has stated that the Abarth driven is a pre production version. What guarantee do you have that the same tune/suspension etc is being launched? |
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Originally Posted by JayD There are several reasons why a pre production car can perform better than a production variant. A pre production which was just driven around BIC can be calibrated for just power, whereas a production version has to deal with issues like Emissions, Mileage, Engine life Etc.
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Originally Posted by a4anurag CrAdY dRiVeR and JayD, guys can you both relax. Take it easy! |
I do not wish to repeat the same points discussed here, but i really do NOT appreciate my points being twisted and made out to something different to what I Intended.
No more points from my side on this.
I guess all FIAT threads should come with a warning- Only positive points appreciated. All others will be lynched.