[discoverwild]

Originally Posted by pgsagar

If M&M announces a Nexon-rival tomorrow, chances are, we will see that before Nexon.

Pretty much like you, I'm the nondescript guy who cares two hoots for brand names.

What you mentioned above holds true. However, you do know the numerous issues the vehicle will come with. Besides the Bolero (25 years?), Scorpio (15+) and XUV500, the company has launched Xylo, Quanto, TUV300, KUV100, Vibe, Verito and the Thar. Except the Thar and probably the TUV300, the rest have already bitten the dust. Niggles and quality issues still persist in the XUV.

They are already working on a TUV500 and one to compete with the Innova. The problem is clarity of thought and a watch on quality which they seem to lack. It's the local garage approach of beating out new shells for old stuff. How will a new car fare if this approach is continued? It will sell well during the honeymoon period and then go into oblivion.

[shashanka]

Originally Posted by discoverwild

......Niggles and quality issues still persist in the XUV..... They are already working on a TUV500 and one to compete with the Innova. The problem is clarity of thought and a watch on quality which they seem to lack. It's the local garage approach of beating out new shells for old stuff. How will a new car fare if this approach is continued? It will sell well during the honeymoon period and then go into oblivion.

Very true! Niggles & quality issues persist..... in the "German engineered"-trio offerings as well as the johnny-come-lately from Korea. The local produce will probably not find place in the rarefied ivory tower of T-G where Matt LeBlanc beats the crap out of an AMG GTR - but they are doing just fine elsewhere, thank you. Despite their "clarity of thought" the mighty Teutons had to eat dust at the hands of humble Nissan when their GT-R beat the crap out of Porsche at Nurburgring! Tech-density is an evolving area, whether one uses the " local garage approach" or "the clarity of thought" route. Though I'm sure the boffins at M&M will be amused at this disdain for their efforts!

[discoverwild]

I would certainly love it if Tata and Mahindra become world beaters in their own right. Clarity of thought depends on what you want. Join the small car race by making a small car look like a mini-SUV? Clarity of thought gives you the Renault Kwid. Lack of it gives the KUV100 which looks like an amalgamation of various cars on piddly wheels.

Getting the correct spare parts for a Mahindra is like needle in a haystack. I have a 4*4 Commander. Except for the XUV and the classic Jeep look Thar, the rest aren't going to win awards. Ergonomics, I'm not even talking about. Mahindra is no Nissan. What I would like to see from them are decent designs, lesser niggles and better quality.

I think Tata is faring better in this regard. Though slow, they are definitely on the right path.

[VeluM]

Originally Posted by directinjection

Tiago diesel engine is Indica 1.4L engine minus one cylinder, but of course in a higher state of tune. Indica 1.4L in turn was derived from Peugeot TUD 5 which incidentally displaced 1.5L, the same as Nexon! Early proptotypes of Vista were fitted with 1.5L NA version of Nexon's engine.

That's the kind of association required to generate a conspiracy theory

As far as I know there is no connection between the old Peugeot engine and this one other than the displacement.

If there are any Tata insiders who can state with certainty that the Nexon engine is based even indirectly on the Peugeot engine, then please do.

The petrol turbo is also new and unrelated to the Zest petrol, as has been repeatedly stated in this thread. Please read from the beginning.

Tata may be late to the party, but they must ensure that it isn't too little too late. Brezza sales show that the market has a great preference for compact UVs, but not just any such as all the mahindra UVS (other than XUV).

A well priced, well equipped, quality product will still sell. Value - as stated before - is the key.

[shashanka]

Originally Posted by directinjection

Tiago diesel engine is Indica 1.4L engine minus one cylinder, but of course in a higher state of tune. Indica 1.4L in turn was derived from Peugeot TUD 5 which incidentally displaced 1.5L, the same as Nexon! Early proptotypes of Vista were fitted with 1.5L NA version of Nexon's engine.

Hello directinjection! You seem quite well-versed in TM's early-passenger-car-diesel-engine family tree! And I shall thus draw the conclusion that TM probably did not need this kind of lead time to come up with a well-developed diesel engine for the Nexon - specially now with JLR's deep R&D kitty in their pocket for the past few years. So what ails the Nexon?

[srh]

Originally Posted by directinjection

Tiago diesel engine is Indica 1.4L engine minus one cylinder, but of course in a higher state of tune. Indica 1.4L in turn was derived from Peugeot TUD 5 which incidentally displaced 1.5L, the same as Nexon! Early proptotypes of Vista were fitted with 1.5L NA version of Nexon's engine.

Wonder how Tata got access to a Peugot engine. Can you please throw some light?

[SandyX]

Originally Posted by srh

Wonder how Tata got access to a Peugot engine. Can you please throw some light?

This bit of info dates back to 2009. Looks like Tata & Peugeot had a copy business from Sierra times. Being Tata, some of those old flavors should still be trickling down into newer mills.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...ml#post1163140

Originally Posted by sasi405

I have been an owner of a 309 as well as a 405. Both my cars were imported ones and the 309 had a different engine than what came in India. In fact, both my cars had the XUD9 engine, which is a 1.9L 65bhp (309) and 1.9L 71bhp (405). This engine was copied by TATA for their Sierra / Sumo / Estate / Safari range and therefore all parts were easily available. So were mechanics to repair them, as any TATA mechanic could handle them. Another trivia is that the TATA Indica engine is actually a copy of the Peugeot TUD5 and therefore, most parts for the TUD5 are interchangeable with the Indica.

Regarding ride and handling, I am yet to come across anything even remotely suited to our roads. Both cars have fantastic ride and lion like grip! Rough roads, speedbreakers, sand, mud, etc pose no problem. I have driven both cars on dry lake beds, sandy areas etc. Another positive point is the ground clearance as well as a clean and flat underbody with absolutely nothing sticking out, including suspension parts and exhaust components. Couple that with a 16 gauge thick steel engine and sump guard and you have an indestructible car....

[srh]

Originally Posted by SandyX

This bit of info dates back to 2009. Looks like Tata & Peugeot had a copy business from Sierra times. Being Tata, some of those old flavors should still be trickling down into newer mills.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...ml#post1163140

I have my doubts. Bore and stroke of both engines are different. Peugeot had a partnership with PAL (and M&M earlier). Wonder if tech can be supplied to a competitor of these two. Plus, Tata also put up a petrol engine with the same block and components.

The Tiago engine would certainly be different. It isn't the DICOR (16V + turbocharged) or its scaled down version.

[sasi405]

Originally Posted by SandyX

This bit of info dates back to 2009. Looks like Tata & Peugeot had a copy business from Sierra times. Being Tata, some of those old flavors should still be trickling down into newer mills.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...ml#post1163140

Since you have quoted my 2009 post, I wanted to say that even the present Safari 2.2 Dicor / Varicor engine is essentially a re-worked Peugeot XUD9, with a new head and fuel system (DI as opposed to IDI, and Common Rail as opposed to Rotary pump). The basic architecture is the same, including the approx. 30% tilt. It is interesting to note that when Peugeot designed this engine, the 30% tilt was to enable a lower overall height so that the cars could have a sleeker bonnet profile. And it continues to this day, in the 2.2 Dicor / Varicor engine in the Safari / Storme!

The one thing that I never understood about the original XUD9 is why they had to attach the brake vacuum pump at the end of the (believe it or not!) camshaft!!

[centaur]

Spotted it again yesterday. Sorry but this is the only image I could get as he noticed me taking pics, cut lanes, took a u turn and vanished. Spotted in Pune yesterday evening

[RavenAvi]

Birdies are chirping that service training for the Nexon will start from the second week of July, closely followed by the sales training about a week later.

Tata is reportedly targeting an end-August 2017 launch.

Karthik Jonnagadia @ Facebook

[VeluM]

Originally Posted by RavenAvi

Tata is reportedly targeting an end-August 2017 launch.

Brilliant! A year from then - beginning of 2019 - I will commence the search for a new car and Nexon will definitely be in the short list unless there are any significant issues.

Any confirmation of the engine specifications? I know the previous details, just to know if any confirmation from insiders of the final specs for the production models.

[Dr.Suraj]

Originally Posted by VeluM

Brilliant! A year from then - beginning of 2019 - I will commence the search for a new car and Nexon will definitely be in the short list unless there are any significant issues.

Any confirmation of the engine specifications? I know the previous details, just to know if any confirmation from insiders of the final specs for the production models.

Late 2018 or early 2019 for me too.
Given their Track record they may take that long to offer AMT or hopefully a proper automatic. :(

But it's a much needed launch nevertheless. Looking forward to it.

[Hickstead]

Hope the position of the passenger side wiper will be adjusted to stay further low during resting on the wind screen in the production cars. It is looking awkward in the image.

[IshaanIan]

Originally Posted by discoverwild

The new DZire was launched in double quick time and we now know has a steering assembly fault. Will be forgiven because it's a Maruti. Will Tata ever be forgiven again if they commit a blunder?

OT but proactive replacement or recalls obviously receive a much more positive response from the market than blunders that happen in multiple instances yet aren't given special treatment or that aren't rectified so proactively.

After seeing the Hexa, it is clear that Tata's quality control is much much improved, but obviously any manufacturer that sells cars with a clear pattern of issues and then chooses not to do anything to help the customers, will receive bad press. Example: Skoda- even though they do take DSG and fuel pump failure more seriously now, in the past it was a very different story and even today there are a few cases where customer is treated coldly. Tata has many such stories from the past that will obviously haunt buyers it is basic human instinct to react in such a way.