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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | ![]() Cant call it a good move. The implementation is going to happen 5 years down the line. They need to get rid of the old smoking trucks and commercial vehicles to ensure the air quality is bettered until the Euro VI is implemented. PS: A thread is already running with the discussion on the same topic here - http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...v-skipped.html |
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And no, there is no policy in place to take older BS cars off the road when newer ones come into play. And there will be none in future. But in places like Delhi, diesel vehicles 10+ & Petrol 15+ years old have been banned. Nothing can be foreseen about such policies taken by knee jerk reactions. Last edited by vinit.merchant : 7th January 2016 at 15:53. | |
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I am all for going to global standards. We cannot always lag behind. I will also suggest following the MH lead, reduce taxation on E s to near zero, cutting duties simultaneously. Having information about the IITK report I had mentioned this quite some time back. I have requested the threads be merged. Last edited by sgiitk : 7th January 2016 at 17:03. | |
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| ![]() One question in all this that is unclear to me. What happens to existing BS-4 cars, will they run fine on higher quality fuel? Secondly, will they have to comply with new norms? As far as BS-4 petrol-engined cars are concerned, will they need tweaks to comply? The reason I ask specific to petrol is because very little changes between Euro-4, -5, -6 for them, while it' a dramatic change in emissions for diesel. |
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It is only my wish & pray that this should never happen otherwise the purpose itself is lost and in reality we may have to look forward for BS VIII to match Euro 6. Quote:
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2. No but there can be restrictions about registration in some places. 3. Even if you tweak it with the new ECU, CatCon etc it can at best be compliant and not certified. Let me narrate my own experience with a Mr Rawat or was it Negi) of Honda. I bought my Civic it was 2010 when BS-IV came in. I talked to GM-Sales of the local dealer, and he talked to the area manager of Honda , and he told us that Civic BS-IV will be coming in May, so I sold my Accent, and planned to manage for a few weeks with just our Santro. Then Honda decided to launch from June 1 and I was stuck with my Santro for almost two months. When Mr Sahani the Dealer's GM came to me again and called up Mr Rawat he clean lied and said that he made no such statement. He was all the time yapping about compliance, both the first time, and again this time, which I told him counted for zilch - either you are BS-IV or not. Compliance cuts no ice. Two other points - most of our HGVs with the exception on Tata Prima and Volvo's are still on BS-II. The fuels pecs fully Euro-IV or an emancipated version will be decided by (laughable) a group of secretaries shortly. Our Oil PSUs have assured that they will be able to make the fuels, though I doubt since they cannot even supply the BS-IV diesel in adequate quantities to feed the 40 cities, nd buy Euro-V stuff from you know who, and then cut it to bring it down to BS-IV. afaik the IITK reco is full Euro-VI even if you have to import the fuels. Who will bell the cat - stop sale of laced fuels!! Manjunath lost his life on this. Last edited by sgiitk : 8th January 2016 at 10:20. | |
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| ![]() What about the 2 wheeled segment, do they also currently meet BS IV in select metros and III elsewhere in the country? Any major tweaks needed in this segment to meet BS VI considering all are petrol powered? |
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I presume they do. but for BS-VI they may all have to switch to Fuel Injection. Last edited by sgiitk : 8th January 2016 at 17:38. | |
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| ![]() The Supreme Court of India has refused to advance the April 1, 2020 deadline for cars to adopt the BS-VI emission norms. Amicus curiae - Harish Salve, told the Supreme Court that upgrading a diesel car to match the BS-VI emission norms would cost a manufacturer around Rs. 36,000 / per vehicle. Such a vehicle could be up to 82% less polluting. Salve's private study indicates that manufacturers would have to incur a cost of Rs. 15,800 per vehicle to make their vehicles BS-V compliant from BS-IV. However, by spending an additional Rs. 20,280, the diesel cars would be BS-VI compliant. BS-VI cars would have their injection pressure set between 1,800-2,100 bar and the cars would use more efficient diesel particulate filters. On the other hand, it would cost manufacturers merely Rs. 1,200 to conform BS-IV petrol vehicles to the BS-VI norms. The benefits of switching to BS-VI include a reduction in particulate matter emissions by around 82% and NOx emissions by 68% in diesel cars and 25% reduced NOx from petrol cars. In addition to car manufacturers, oil companies would have to incur a significant capital investment to ensure the fuel quality is BS-VI compliant. The Government of India is planning to implement the BS-IV emission norms across India by April 2017. From April 2017, BS-IV norms will be enforced all over the country and only vehicles that comply with them will be allowed to be sold and registered. Source: ET Auto Last edited by S2!!! : 22nd January 2016 at 11:58. |
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| ![]() Welcome move by Supreme Court. Why do auto companies always try to delay measures which are good to mankind? Shame on them for focusing only on profits and zilch on responsibility towards the ecosystem! |
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| ![]() I think the issue is with the refiners (ie OMCs). They are unable to even produce enough BS-IV diesel to supply the 40 odd cities, and end up buying Euro-V stuff from RIL and then diluting with their own BS-III stuff to bring it down to BS-IV. I hear most of the PSU refineries will have to extensively modified (euphemism for scrapped and replaced) to produce BS-VI stuff. I think the block is more in the fuel supply. I know on authority the IITK report says if need be import Diesel to meet Euro-VI. Are we heading towards Imports + RIL for VI level Diesel? I can almost hear cries of Ambani / Adani from the socialist lobby. |
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| ![]() Automotive majors like Maruti and Mahindra will have to depend on companies like Bosch and Delphi to go from stage 4 to 5/6. Top guns in Bosch are sceptical about this as huge investments and work need to be there for a single emission jump. The design, development, validation, and optimization for BS V will run into atleast 4 years. Without achieving stage V and aiming for stage VI Skipping this would have serious implications on engine running quality. Last edited by CrAzY dRiVeR : 13th February 2020 at 08:28. Reason: Typo |
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| ![]() Finally, the NGT has woken up about adulteration. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...w/50717543.cms I hope this is done nationwide and there is prompt action, shut down, fine, arrest. |
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