[Masda]

Originally Posted by mayjay

I've started to see some >2000cc diesel SUVs on temporary registration in Delhi. Is the RTO giving temp registration to these and how long can they be run that way?

I think the new Scorpios that we are seeing in Delhi are 1997 cc. Hence they have found a way to escape the NGT ban by chipping off 182 cc. In case, not already shared on the forum before, here's what the spec page of the Scorpio says:

[abhayankara]

Now it is Kerala's turn, NGT bans registration of new diesel passenger vehicles with capacity over 2000 CC
Courtesy: Economic Times
Read this article in Economic times today


Will they implement the same in Bangalore in near future?

[swiftnfurious]

Just read an article in a Malayalam daily that the studies in Delhi shows an increase of pollution by 23% irrespective of the diesel vehicles ban & odd-even rule. Now the centre & Delhi governments are asked to find alternative steps to curb the pollution. The primary assumption is that the pollution is caused by the industries & dust.

[a4anurag]

Originally Posted by Masda

I think the new Scorpios that we are seeing in Delhi are 1997 cc.

They have a 1.99L launched for both the Scorpio and XUV 5OO post the NGT launch.

Originally Posted by swiftnfurious

Just read an article in a Malayalam daily that the studies in Delhi shows an increase of pollution by 23% irrespective of the diesel vehicles ban & odd-even rule.

Finally they have understood that the banning cars (read odd-even rule) and the silly >2.0L engine capacity rule is not having any effect on pollution figures as compared to before the rule passing.

Pollution contributors that are the major ones are Heavy vehicles and industrial factories. That is what needs to be curbed.

[volkman10]

More cities could face the diesel car( 2-litre or larger ) ban - Mumbai, Kolkata, Bengaluru, Chennai and Hyderabad, could be next.

The National Green Tribunal (NGT) is set to consider, on Monday, whether to impose a ban on the sale of large diesel-powered vehicles in 11 more cities.

Extending the ban countrywide would basically stop production of all large diesel vehicles

http://auto.economictimes.indiatimes...aluru/52497455

[hillsnrains]

OMG, What is happening in our country?
1. Blanket ban on >2.0L cars without any scientific study?
2. Cars having >2.0L engines are the most polluting? What about ill maintained trucks and GOVT vehicles?
3. Who is going to compensate those automobile companies who invested in >2.0L Diesel engines research, Manufacturing and Assembly? What message we are giving to auto industry?
4. Don't we need a policy for auto industry, so that automobile companies can plan their investments? Else India becoming a auto hub will be a distant dream.

my 2 cents.

[saurabh sharma]

Why do I get a feeling that this is one of the oldest scams running in India, 'ban' something lucrative, squeeze the manufacturer off some of his earned profits, we know how, and then allow the same under the garb of 'new regulations'. Has happened with gutka/alcohol in the past.

[sunishsamuel]

Shekar Viswanathan, vice-chairman of Toyota Kirloskar Motors, said the Kerala order was passed without conducting any study or hearing vehicle manufacturers. "Every fuel has pollutants. Auto makers do not produce diesel vehicles to pollute or avail of subsidies," he said.

Quoting economic times article, the statement from Toyota is so apt. Why cannot NGT go behind oil marketing/manufacturing companies to curb fuel that does not mean specified quality, implement strict measures for stopping adulteration ? Monday cannot get better after reading such news, when the car allocated to me is waiting for registration !

Do we have enough numbers to file an objection against this ban (whenever implemented)

[manishkapadia]

As per report in todays ET, the NGT ban may extend to 11 more cities and this includes Mumbai, Pune, Bangalore, Chennai, Caclutta, and Hyderabad. If this actually happens then I have a feeling the manufacturers will stop manufacture of large engines here. Outside of this major markets there will be no volume to justify keeping the assembly line live.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...w/52496393.cms

[blackasta]

The rulers of 'Banistan' strike again.
Without any scientific study, without taking advise from any experts, without consulting the industry and the end users , impose a blanket ban based on - hunch !!!
Tomorrow some other tribunal will come up with another arbitrary law that engines over 1.5L are oh-so-polluting - and another chaos shall start.
What's the basis for such arbitrary judgements?
Choose a number - the bearable numbers for N02 / C2 / SO2 etc in air, publish that, seriously implement the PUC centers which are farcical in a lot of places, and whatever car passes the PUC test should be on the road - a 800cc petrol car can fail, a 3L diesel car can pass - and all should be weighed on an equal scale.

[4x4addict]

Looks like we can now dissolve the the Lok Sabha & Rajya Sabha and all Secretaries and IAS officers can resign their job. Now that NGT & Courts have decided to formulate the laws for the country. Earlier, their job was to uphold laws, enshrined in our constitution and/or those passed by parliament.

Now that they have decided to create laws, there is no point in having elected representatives any more Let the courts and tribunals make random laws.

Jokes apart, it is a dangerous trend. Emission laws are created by the state. Best way to enforce existing emission laws stringently and many of the old junk diesel cars will pretty much get off the roads.

To pass random laws without sufficient technical analysis and giving manufacturers and public to adjust to new norms is absolutely absurd and impractical.

[tsk1979]

This may be of interest to people following this thread
https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/india...any-sense.html (Why engine capacity-based diesel vehicle bans don't make any sense)

[RavenAvi]

Final decision to extend the diesel-ban to 11 more Indian cities will be taken by the NGT tomorrow, i.e., Tuesday.

It have given the states a day's time to submit all data it has asked for, in conducting the hearing. The failure of receiving such data may result in bailable warrants being issued against the chief secretaries of the non-responding states.

the NGT has asked all states to submit response to three questions:

1. Which is the worst polluted city of the state?

2. Give the number of vehicles in the city and provide a breakdown of petrol and diesel vehicles.

3. What is the current population of the worst polluted city?

The NGT has said that all relevant and the latest data needs to be submitted by tomorrow and warned that if the states fail to product the data, a bailable warrant against the chief secretary of the non responding state will be issued.

News X

[saurabh sharma]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

This may be of interest to people following this thread
https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/india...any-sense.html (Why engine capacity-based diesel vehicle bans don't make any sense)

Great piece of research and must compliment the effort put in. If only this can be represented to our honorable courts.

[RavenAvi]

On Monday, the Ministry for Heavy Industries and Public Enterprises has filed an application to the NGT, appealing against extending the ban on registration of cars with 2,000+cc diesel engines to 11 more cities.

The Centre, through it's application, has claimed that such an order, if passed, will severely impact the Indian government's "Made In India" campaign, cause substantial losses to the auto sector, and will affect the FDI quotient greatly.

The Centre has decided to implead in the MC Mehta vs Union of India case in the Supreme Court which led to the original Delhi-NCR ban of registration of diesel-powered cars with 2,000cc or more engine capacities.

"The automotive industry is the largest constituent of the manufacturing sector in the country's economy, contributing to more than 47% of the manufacturing GDP of the country. It employs over 30 million persons with a cumulative investment of Rs 143,000 crores and production of Rs 556,555 crores," the application stated adding that "the automobile industry is the fifth largest sector receiving foreign direct investment (FDI)."

It is humbly submitted that after the launch of the "Make in India" campaign by the government, "an investment of around 5094 million US dollars has come to the country in as FDI equity inflows which is almost 8% of total FDI equity inflow."

Centre in its application suggested that it is concerned about the impact of air pollution on public health but the auto sector contributes to "18% of the total excise duty in collections in the country."

In its prayer, the ministry said the Tribunal "may not apply any restrictions on sale and registration of new vehicles which are complying with the statutory emission norms". Instead, it suggests that the Tribunal may consider banning of "old vehicles irrespective of fuel after their useful life of 15 years."

The application also states that the ministry had a meeting with GOI departments on April 23, 2016 and after deliberation and examination of all issues it was resolved that "the applicant should seek impleadment in the writ petition MC Mehta vs union of India and apprise SC about the major stake in contemplated by the government to balance the requirements of protecting the environment and carrying out sustained economic development being guarded through Make in India campaigns."

ET