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veyron1 18th September 2006 18:30

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Originally Posted by 2l8uloose
Says a man whose name and picture is that of a GERMAN SUPERCAR(yes I know its by Bugatti but its owned by VW..hence German)
Now this should be moved to the Jokes thread...

Ah. Glad that made you smile. But Bugatti...isn't exactly in the same league as even the Lambo or Porsche now is it? The Veyron is a technological marvel. One-off. Replication of such is beyond comprehension. I thought we were talking about "saada" Europeans. Else, I love the Swedish Koenigsegg too, but that don't count here now, does it...

By Europeans , meant in the GENERAL sense. Not applicable to all (I DID mention 2 odd ones). Else, my ID would've been R34VSPEC.

P.S- Bugatti was originally European (French), even before VW came into the picture..

Surprise 18th September 2006 18:32

I had heard in this forum japenese car doing 1L + kilometers & still going strong as day 1. Hence there is no doubt on engine relaiability. Japenese car gives better FE & cost less to maintain. Its not way behind in handling department.

Overall ownership costs is better when compared to a European car. Hence my vote goes for Japenese

Steeroid 18th September 2006 18:32

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Originally Posted by veyron1
P.S- Bugatti was originally European (French), even before VW came into the picture..

ITALIAN. Ettore Bugatti was Italian. Pasta must be inspirational. The french wine around his factory may merely have helped....

supremeBaleno 18th September 2006 18:38

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Originally Posted by Surprise
Overall ownership costs is better when compared to a European car. Hence my vote goes for Japenese

Surprise, till you voted, both were tied at 29. You tilted the scales in favour of the Japs. :)

finetuning 18th September 2006 18:48

European cars are designed to best deliver in Europe where useful ownership life span is less compared to India and japanese are designed to best deliver in most challenging & demanding conditions of India........its proved that most japanese car engine are so reliable......year after year they perform without trouble.....engine is the heart of any car & yet its ignored??.......its an enginnering brilliance that can make such wonderful engines......fit and finish quality has nothing to do with longevity of car & its where japanese rules.....Japanese cars delivers an excellent balance between economy & performance.......

Enjoy......

veyron1 18th September 2006 18:48

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Originally Posted by Steeroid
ITALIAN. Ettore Bugatti was Italian. Pasta must be inspirational. The french wine around his factory may merely have helped....

Ettore was Italian. The company wasn't. Bugatti Automobiles was founded in and operated from France. Although the wine might perhaps explain the styling...

prabuddhadg 18th September 2006 19:32

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Originally Posted by v1p3r
You'd be hard-pressed to find a 10 year old 118NE or Ford Escort (European cars) in the same condition as a 20 year old M800 (Japanese car).

I have had a succession of Japanese cars, a lot of which were older than 5 years. Even my Santro, which lasted 5 eventful years with us, felt as tight as the day we bought it.

Supposed, feel, may be are all intangibles. They may have thicker sheet metal, but do you know it for a fact? They may feel more safe, but are they safer? They are not supposed to last, but somehow they do.

I do not have the numbers, but anyone will confirm that more 800's have sold than NE's or Escorts. So, it is natural to be able to find a more popular car than something that was never high up on the charts. And I am sure if you look after a car well, even a Japanese car will last for years. In fact my wife's neighbour in Calcutta still owns a first generation 800 that looks like it was bought yesterday. It is because he has taken extra pains to look after it well, and not because it was built tough.
The key is to find a single owner of these two category of cars and see how they last in his hands.
I have an 800 that everyone still admires after 4 years, but I can tell all the different sounds it gives out that no one seems to notice. But then I have never driven it hard. So if I had, I can imagine what it would have ended up as.

hondadude 18th September 2006 19:36

Hmmm... 33 to 31 in favour of European, as of now. I noticed that those who voted for Japanese cars are quite vocal in their opinion as opposed to those who voted for European cars. Stiff upper lip, huh! :)

prabuddhadg 18th September 2006 19:41

Ha Ha good one, though someone somewhere said that Japanese cars were merely machines and the European cars exuded character.

devarshi84 18th September 2006 19:42

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Originally Posted by v1p3r
So basically you are acknowledging that given similar restrictions, the Europeans produced a technologically (efficiency, performance) product, and then failed to back it up with service and support!!!

Check out the JD power customer satisfaction surver.

Why otherwise would have fiat failed in the Indian market?
Why do you think people dont want to buy skoda anymore after such a sterling start?


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Originally Posted by hondadude
Offtopic, but I thought BenQ is from Taiwan.

Sony brought the UI and the exterior design engineering to the Sony Ericsson

I belive Nissan has the technology but Renault brought cost efficienty (in form of Ghosn).
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Ok it is Taiwanese. Its axually a spinoff from Acer.

Check out the T68 UI and the latest Walkman series UI. The only innovation technological brilliance is the sony Jogdial and flip design for the p-series.

you would want to check out the platforms on which the new Nissan cars are based on. Its more of a platform sharing collabration where even Cost-cutting was brought in by the Europeans.


Overall I am agreeing to the fact that Japanese are much better at marketing but you have to agree that most significant innovations come from Europe.

manson 18th September 2006 19:42

In our country wouldn't have to think a second time to select a japanese over a european car. much better resale value, higher fuel efficiency, superior refinement levels, more fun to drive (except the infamous nhc), etc.
the euros on the other hand have excellent build quality, but then usually i'd sell a vehicle withing 4-5 years of its lifetime, and that long i'm sure the newer japanese cars can sustain from rattles.

manson.

devarshi84 18th September 2006 19:50

actually that's the real problem.

Europeans over-engineer their cars.

I remember reading a report on the Golden Bridge near Bharuch which is supposed to be overengineered much more than what it should withstand in the worst of the calamities.
and yes you guessed it right. It was built by the British.

According to legend, it is known as the "Golden" bridge because the iron used in its construction is very sturdy, resistant to rust and rare hence it is much much more expensive than modern steel.

Jaggu 18th September 2006 19:59

has any one noticed the longer intervals of regualr service for european cars compared to japs, coz they are designed with 110% tolerance in mind.

japs are like ur reynolds pen, use em and throw them away or make refils as we indians did for our market, european cars are monte blank kinds, sorry couldn resist it :)

hondadude 18th September 2006 20:13

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Originally Posted by devarshi84
Overall I am agreeing to the fact that Japanese are much better at marketing but you have to agree that most significant innovations come from Europe.

You obviously will agree to your own statement about Japanese being much better at marketing :) so I can't argue on that.

As as aside, I agree with you that more significant innovations in the auto world didn't come from Japan. In my opinion, Japanese are good at taking an existing innovation and turning it into more cost effective and more reliable machines.

As a consumer I don't care where the innovation came from as long as I am satisfied with the product.

prabuddhadg 19th September 2006 10:47

So many people have given so many opinions that ultimately it seems type of car is purely up to individual choice. And given the condition of our roads, if you drive carefully, your car will last long and you will vote for the country of its origin. So, to sum up, whatever you buy, you will not regret.


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