[Yeldo]

Originally Posted by mustang_shelby

. I feel that folks were expecting a 'very very crazy' price given the old Innova's pricing, and it has just turned out to be 'very crazy' instead. If one only looks at the ZX variant, one might get the impression that the new Innova is a very nicely appointed vehicle, but a look at the lower trims tells a different story.

You are bang on spot Sir!

I were expecting a 24-25L ex showroom price tag for the 2.8L ZX AT, looking at current Fortuner prices. When I saw the 21.xxL announced price, felt really really happy.

Now thinking of it, that price is somewhat high considering that the Innova is primarily an everyday working vehicle. It is not a "posh" vehicle as such. You go to church on Sunday, have a function, and the Innova man is always expected to be the shuttle driver to ferry people. To do that or do airport runs or wedding shopping runs with a 26L car does seem a bit OTT.


On a side note, I am in the market for two vehicles right now, for myself and my brother in law. Both have to be 7 seat Diesel automatics. Already booked both the Crysta and the Endeavour (inspite of the Ford dealer's attitude). Looking at the prices, and the amount of money that is going out, I think one should be a base version, and the other should be a top line variant. So whether to go for the Endeavour 3.2 Titanium + Crysta 2.8 GX or Endeavour 3.2 Trend + Crysta 2.8 ZX is the big question of the moment.

[Axe77]

Originally Posted by Axe77

Mumbai and surrounding on road price sheet attached. On road price of ZX AT nudges past 26 lakh.

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Actually if you see the break up they've also included about 24,000 worth Toyota genuine accessories into the price. Hopefully you should be able to refuse that while buying.

[architkarpe]

Originally Posted by ecenandu

Ah interesting point, so if Toyota had offered the ZX AT variant in 8 seater configuration, would you have gone for it?

Endy is in a different league in terms of equipment and plastic quality, no doubt. But ingress / egress is not that great in Endy, more over the middle row seats won't tumble like the Innova.

Have you checked the Endy in person, if yes, please share your thoughts on the space on offer, seating comfort etc against Innova.

I would have seriously considered an 8 seater we had a previous generation Innova 7 seater three years back sold it after I had a kid in the family. I agree for a family of 4 Innova is a luxury with loads of boot space.

Endy is comfortable whole 9.5 lacs extra for the size features yes it did need a second thought before I finalized.

I am not in the market for a seven seater I am looking at a 5 seater with large boot space. The last row of my innova was probably used twice or thrice in my 5 yrs of ownership.

Mod Note: There are several spelling and grammatical errors in your post (now corrected). Please take the time to post correctly.

[neofromcapone]

Yes the volumes in the 18-26 lac segment will be lower, but the margins on this Innova, will more than compensate the lower volumes.

[AWD]

Activity on the thread also indicates diminished interest. I mean isn't this taking a people mover van to a uber SUV level ! Its a good vehicle, no debates there & will be successful in the market. But that shall be because of the immaturity of the market, people here seldom look for aesthetics or performance, they just need to haul the entire family in a box. The given prices are like celebrating the "great Indian people mover"! So much away from an enthusiasts dream!

[sumannandy]

I have a 2015 new model XUV500. I was looking for an automatic. I think Innova crysta GX AT price is similar to XUV500 AT. I don't fancy gadgets but reliable mechanicals is important. I do lot of long drives over all kind of roads (43500+ kms in 8 months). XUV glides over bad road effortlessly without any damage to the car. Many a times I have missed sudden bumpers but there was no issue with XUV500. Will an innova be equally capable to handle bad roads and sudden speed breakers?

[Axe77]

Originally Posted by sumannandy

I have a 2015 new model XUV500. I was looking for an automatic. I think Innova crysta GX AT price is similar to XUV500 AT. I don't fancy gadgets but reliable mechanicals is important. I do lot of long drives over all kind of roads (43500+ kms in 8 months). XUV glides over bad road effortlessly without any damage to the car. Many a times I have missed sudden bumpers but there was no issue with XUV500. Will an innova be equally capable to handle bad roads and sudden speed breakers?

I don't know for sure the answer to that question but generally speaking I'd intuitively expect the Innova ride to be better than XUV in part because the latter is full fat body on frame structure.

I think if you add 1 -1.25 lakh to GX AT you can probably get great leather seats + music system to make the insides of that car feel more luxurious. Most of the other add ons are not deal breakers I guess but they would have been nice to have for sure. I think there are more airbags too win VX which is important but will be missed in GX.

[narayan]

Originally Posted by Axe77

I don't know for sure the answer to that question but generally speaking I'd intuitively expect the Innova ride to be better than XUV in part because the latter is full fat body on frame structure.

Did you mean the XUV is a body on frame structure ? I don't think so. Its a monocoque. Its the Innova that has a body on frame construction.


That apart, I see many people are comparing the Innova with the XUV on the pricing part. Without a doubt the Innova is overpriced but for many folks the Innova with its reliability, low service costs and better resale might still make a lot of sense. XUV will never hold its resale like the Innova. For this very same reason, I also wonder what Tata will do with the Hexa pricing. Very difficult situation to be in - You can't price it very far away from the Innova because you are putting so much kit and volumes anyway won't be huge, at the same time you can't price it too close to the Innova because no one will give it a second look for just a 50K-1L price difference.

[sachinayak]

I own a pre-owned Toyota Innova, so understand the big deal around high resale value that it commands.

But things are different now. The previous generation Innova was launched at a much lower price-band and the price increased steadily over years. Toyota could afford to do it, as there was no real competition (and probably there still isn't one today). With increasing prices of a new vehicle, the resale values remained very strong.

But doubt if they can do that with the Crysta. Crysta is already priced very high (except the top end auto, which still some may thing justifies the price with the features on offer). Toyota really cannot afford to steadily increase prices - people will simply look at other options (Hexa/XUV on the lower band and Endeavor on the higher side). The resale may not sink like other cars, but it may not be history repeating itself.

Essentially you are paying 25-26L on-road for a people mover and not a luxury brand or an SUV. I would think there could be a dip in sales after the initial excitement dies down.

[pjbiju]

I think the pricing is atrocious. The way they have been milking the customers with the high prices of the older Innova (which really had no competition, after Aria's fiasco), they should have priced the new one much lower. The older Innova was priced as if it had all the features the new one now has.

Today there is more competition and options for the customer (with may be a little less reliability than the Toyota) and they will think a few times before spending so much of money on the Crysta, particularly people who really do not need a 7/8 seater regularly. I am in the market to look for a long distance touring vehicle with good luggage space and with their pricing, I am not sure if I should even consider the Crysta (V or Z version).

Toyota had got away with their high pricing of the Fortuner and Innova for a long time. I hope this time around they are brought back to the earth.

[F150]

Originally Posted by pjbiju

I think the pricing is atrocious. . I am in the market to look for a long distance touring vehicle with good luggage space and with their pricing, I am not sure if I should even consider the Crysta (V or Z version).

Toyota had got away with their high pricing of the Fortuner and Innova for a long time. I hope this time around they are brought back to the earth.

Very true ! But we are seeing customers from two different spectrum.

1. A Customer that can afford a car from a much higher price bracket, but prefers the Innova for the reliability.
2. Customers like you and I, for whom reliability is granted and not a parameter that one should pay extra for.

That said, Mahindra is not too far behind in terms of reliability. I think this pricing of the Innova, makes the XUV500 pure VFM.

[hemanth.anand]

Wow! Money has truly lost its value.
17.7 to 26.4 lakhs OTR for an Innova! what were Toyota thinking?

When I purchased a Vespa, everyone told me that I was crazy to give close to a lakh for a scooter.
I have told everyone that the premium product and brand image demands some additional amount which is perfectly alright.

Similarly, I agree Toyota is reliable, service is excellent, The vehicle is also very good. But this is taking it too far.
They are trying to take undue advantage of the trust people have in them!
We all know how Toyota gradually increases the prices of their cars after their introductory prices.
Soon the base variant will be 20 lakhs with no ACC, cheap looking dashboard with all holes closed with plastic panel showing what all you've missed even after paying 2 million rupees!

Mods, we need a thumbs down Emoticon on TBHP!

[Axe77]

Originally Posted by narayan

Did you mean the XUV is a body on frame structure ? I don't think so. Its a monocoque. Its the Innova that has a body on frame construction.



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Apologies. I could well be wrong on this.

But I've driven both the XUV AT as well as Innova AT as well as sat in the back seat of both. I personally felt that while driving the XUV felt a lot more big truck like while the Innova felt relatively more car like to drive. I didn't feel like I was driving on stilts in the Innova. Similarly, ride comfort on the back seat of the Innova felt better than the XUV.

As a regular sedan owner, I can imagine driving or being driven in an Innova. An XUV or even Fortuner on the other hand feel too bulky and bouncy for me.

Note: I am fundamentally a sedan user and don't own an SUV / MUV as a daily drive. So my perspective may be viewed in that context.

[sridhu]

Originally Posted by krivbel

The top end 2.8 ZX (AT) is a whopping 26.39 lakhs!! on road in Bangalore. I am sure despite the pricing, the Crysta will still sell like hot cakes.

Check this out, here's a price list of Toyota Crysta from VIVA Toyota...

Dumb question: What does PW mean in the variants list?

[sachinayak]

Originally Posted by sridhu

Dumb question: What does PW mean in the variants list?

Think that's the Pearl White color that comes at a slight premium price.