[architkarpe]

Sorry if I am off topic But how safe are captain seats in case of an accidents ?
I have seen a few accident vehicles where the rear seat backs are bent forward.
In case of captain seats the seats are held in place by just two locks. Can these locks hold in case where the fixed seats give away.

worst case scenario is the seat tumbling fwd with the passenger in it.

note : mods please delete the thread if i am off topic

[ForeRunner]

I think its time for Suzuki to release a bigger version (particularly 3rd row seats+some space for cargo) of Ertiga with 1.6 DDiS. If priced around 12L OTR, it will definitely kill Innova Crysta's sales ambitions. I will book one with eyes closed.

[Voyager-1]

Originally Posted by sridhu

The AT seemed to race too much (~ 2000 rpm) before shifting. The shift itself was quite smooth. Now, I am used to automatics in the US and I found this behaviour very irriating.

Originally Posted by AWD

Thats true, I experienced the same boom before shift, the revvs build up. Its a nuisance compared to modern day smooth autos.

During the test drive, did you check the drive mode (Eco/Power) that was selected? Could this be because the dealership selected the Power mode?

[ecenandu]

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[sridhu]

Originally Posted by AWD

Thats true, I experienced the same boom before shift, the revvs build up. Its a nuisance compared to modern day smooth autos.
Coming to the manual, I found the gear shifts to be rubbery & require a little extra effort.
Also I wasn't able to drive both manual & auto at high speeds due to traffic, so I want to know how does the engine fare at high speeds on both. Does it get boomy like in the older Innova or have things improved.

Glad to hear that it is not only me!

I drive the current Innova - the manual feel was similar. Rubbery. Effort was quite similar, IMO. Man, the shudder! If you hook it up to a cup of milk, turn on the AC, you will get delicious ice cream! (Aside: have people tried Frozen Bites in HSR? They make ice cream from scratch - milk, fruits & frozen nitrogen. Pretty good, I must say!)

Infact, despite the NVH claims, there was distinct, unpleasant vibration in the cabin. IRC, more in the 2.8 than the 2.4.

I did push both up to around 100. Would not say they were very boomy. But then, the current Innova starts wailing only after 100! THe shift of the 2.8 was quite smooth after the first 2-3 gears.

I seriously liked the manual better & I so wanted to buy an automatic!

Originally Posted by Voyager-1

During the test drive, did you check the drive mode (Eco/Power) that was selected? Could this be because the dealership selected the Power mode?

I did try the eco/ power buttons - did not help the boominess. The default seems to be normal. I personally liked the 'power' mode shifting best.

There is a 'eco' light which comes on on the Tach. THe ASS did not know much about it. Is it a 'good boy' light that tells you are driving economically?

Also, found out (contrary to the ASS's claims) the 'leather' in the Zx is touch leather - mix of real & synthetic leather. Could have at least given us proper leather, including on the doors! At that to the niggle list!

So, currently, whatever compromise I make, every model of Innova currently on offer still makes me compromise further.

- 2.8 Zx: no 8 str; shift quality
- 2.4 Zx: no 8 str; black 'leather'; no auto
- 2.4 Vx: reduced safety; no navigation; no 17" wheels
- 2.8 Gx: 8 str; auto; Nothing else! Only 6 lacs cheaper than the 2.8 Zx

Flip flopping between the 2.4 Zx & Vx.

Zx is basically lack of 1 seat & weird interior. But save 2 lacs over the auto.

Vx has got everything but lacks a few safety important features. The 2 lacs saved can easily be put into doing up the interior with nice full leather. But lack of side curtain airbags, VSC how important? It does have ABS, EBD & BA + 3 airbags, though

PS: what does VSC do? Is it the same as traction control?

The music system, the 6 speaker one, was strictly average. Very flat. I am not even an audiophile! The ICE, on the other hand, seemed nICE.

Am I better off buying a top-end XUV500 manual. Has all the gee gaws. Comfortable seats for 5 & I have a Thule to take care of luggage needs.

Any thoughts?

[ecenandu]

Originally Posted by sridhu

Am I better off buying a top-end XUV500 manual. Has all the gee gaws. Comfortable seats for 5 & I have a Thule to take care of luggage needs.
Any thoughts?

If you are okay to face few niggles, then okay. XUV 5OO is a good choice. I will be wary about the electronics, though. My friend's Scorpio VLX cruise control packed up at around 80,000 kilometers. He didn't get it rectified since he didn't use them that much. There was an first gen XUV 5OO in my dad's friend circle, he also face few niggles, but then that was like four years back.

For adventurous drives with a bit of off roading thrown in, then XUV will be a better choice.

It depends Sridhu, if you are a person who wants a fill it, shut it, forget it kinda experience then I believe XUV will not be the right choice.

You can check the ownership threads, even the new one is not niggle free.

Have you checked the possibility of retro fitting the 8 seater configuration in the ZX variant. For Bangalore roads, don't you think an auto will be an sensible choice, but then, it depends on your usage.

[THE-U-]

Originally Posted by romeomidhun

Innova is miles ahead of Xylo in all these departments.

Innova is in a different universe in terms of price. One can buy nearly buy two Xylos for the price of one Innova.

The interior could certainly be made upscale by Mahindra (or by the owner when folks are talking about upgrading the GX) and the suspension set up could be improved. But, each of us have different priorities.

I have seen a large number of taxi Xylos. Traveled in one for 300km about five years ago and on the same ghat road three years ago in an Innova. Sure don't remember one being more uncomfortable than the other. All I remember was that the Xylo was only a few months old and so everything was new. The Innova on the other hand was beat up.

[deetjohn]

Originally Posted by F150

The seat cover fitting also seems immaculate, are those dealer fitted or factory fitted ?

Yes, it is dealer fitted. And those seats looked good. But...

Originally Posted by AYP

The interiors of the Nippon limited edition look quite good. The interiors no longer look drab. I am pretty sure that many GX variant customers people will atleast go for that interior package. The only major thing missing will be the steering controls.

Those seats aren't enough. There are a lot of differences between VX and GX on the inside and they feel like cars from different segments.

VX gets the following over GX

1. Better quality plastics on the dash, doors and console and in a darker, richer shade of black.
2. Better quality fabric for all seats with white stitching, fabric trim on the doors + aluminum finish on the dash & doors which feels quite nice and lift the ambiance of the cabin quite nicely.
3. Nice ambient lighting and back table for the front seats. Height-adjustable driver seat.
4. Leather wrap + wood finish on steering wheel along with cruise control* and other controls. Leather wrap for gear lever + Lockable glove box.
5. 4.2" TFT MID. Better instrument panel + Intermittent wipers with wider time delay.
6. 7" touchscreen + 6 speakers + navigation* + Bluetooth + voice recognition + Reversing camera.
7. Keyless entry + push-button start + One-touch power windows for all 4 windows
8. Automatic climate control for front and rear.
   
   On the outside
9. Projectors + Automatic headlamps + LED DRL + Fog lamps

There is a difference of 3L between the MT variants. And if GX well within reach, one should definitely stretch and go for VX. On the other hand, if GX itself is a stretch, then you should also look at the competition really hard before plonking money on the Innova.

You will have to spend a lot more on the inside of the GX to make it closer to VX and you will never get the satisfaction of a factory fit and a more complete car from day 1.

Originally Posted by sridhu

So, I am seriously thinking 2.4 Zx.

Makes a lot of sense to me.

Before I saw the cars, I was almost sure AT is the way to go for the Innova. The bigger engine with more power and the 6 speed AT was a no brainer. But after spending time with the variants, and reading through most drive reports, I am becoming more inclined towards the MT. Need to drive them to be clear.

The only thing I am ruing is the fact that there is no 6 speed. Toyota shouldn't have reserved that for the new Fortuner, the Crysta deserves it for those highway trips. And with closer ratios and healthy torque, you wouldn't have missed a AT too in the city.


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Originally Posted by ecenandu

Navigation and cruise control is only available in ZX and is absent in the VX variant.

You may be right. Cannot find a mention of that in the brochure and I don't recall it from yesterday. I picked that detail from here. ACI - variants revealed

[ecenandu]

Originally Posted by deetjohn

VX gets the following over GX

1. Leather wrap + wood finish on steering wheel along with cruise control and other controls. Leather wrap for gear lever + Lockable glove box.
2. 7" touchscreen + 6 speakers + navigation + Bluetooth + voice recognition + Reversing camera.

Navigation and cruise control is only available in ZX and is absent in the VX variant.

Originally Posted by deetjohn

Now, sit down and look through your polarized shades for this one - The Nippon 'Chrome Pack' Limited Edition!

The leather was quite nice and the stitching was also very consistent.

Pricing of the same.

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You may be right. Cannot find a mention of that in the brochure and I don't recall it from yesterday. I picked that detail from here. ACI - variants revealed

Its there in the official brochure.

[sridhu]

Originally Posted by ecenandu

Have you checked the possibility of retro fitting the 8 seater configuration in the ZX variant.

Asked - they absolutely refused. At this point, I think they are correct to. I was also thinking that when they introduce the 8 seat variant in the Zx and I really want it still, I will pay & get it replaced since the Zx seems to tick all the other boxes.

Originally Posted by ecenandu

For Bangalore roads, don't you think an auto will be an sensible choice, but then, it depends on your usage.

Why do you feel that, ecenandu? I thought given that there is so much start-stop traffic in BLR, an auto is ideal to maintain peace of mind. Are you coming at it from a mileage point of view? I thought the extra power on the 2.8 will make the difference between the AT & MT negligible.

Note: I misread ecenandu's original quote. THought he said "dont think ..." Hence the above comment. Sorry ecenandu.

BTW, the ASS (how apt!) quoted FE figures of about 14.5 for AT & 15.1 for MT. So, nothing to choose there even if real world numbers are closer to 12 & 13.

Another point which I forgot to mention: the internal size did not look too different from the current innova. I think I can guess where the difference of 28 cm (HUGE!!) comes from. I think in the old car the internal length was measured from the footwell to the back door and in the new one from the dash to the back door. Can somebody who goes for a TD next validate that?

Also a suggestion: since the t-bhp review of the crysta has (still! hint ... hint!) not come, can we list out the questions that we need answers for from the t-bhp reviewers? Easy for all concerned and while I am sure that t-bhp review will be excellent as usual, it might help the reviewers know the kind of questions they will be asked

For starters, my questions:

- Space
- Does the current Innova Thule fit directly or does it need a new foot?
- Mileage: 2.8 & 2.4
- NVH?
- Booming of the auto before shifting - my imagination or real? Does it require a learning curve to modulate the throttle?
- Accuracy of the reverse camera
- How good is the phone mirroring
- Rear camera?

[ecenandu]

Originally Posted by sridhu

Why do you feel that, ecenandu? I thought given that there is so much start-stop traffic in BLR, an auto is ideal to maintain peace of mind. Are you coming at it from a mileage point of view? I thought the extra power on the 2.8 will make the difference between the AT & MT negligible.

Yeah, with so much of stop and go traffic, an automatic will be the ideal choice, given you drive a lot in the city.

[AWD]

Originally Posted by Voyager-1

did you check the drive mode (Eco/Power) that was selected?

I tried it on all the modes, result was almost the same, the revvs build up for the first few gear changes.

Originally Posted by sridhu

I drive the current Innova - the manual feel was similar. Rubbery. Effort was quite similar, IMO. Man, the shudder! If you hook it up to a cup of milk, turn on the AC, you will get delicious ice cream!

I did push both up to around 100. Would not say they were very boomy. But then, the current Innova starts wailing only after 100! THe shift of the 2.8 was quite smooth after the first 2-3 gears.

Ive also driven the old Innova but felt this ones manual is a shade more rubbery. Could be due to the fact that the TD vehicle was new, would smoothen a bit after some usage. Can't stop laughing on that Ice cream recipe!lolz

Originally Posted by sridhu

thinking that when they introduce the 8 seat variant in the Zx and I really want it still, I will pay & get it replaced since the Zx seems to tick all the other boxes.

How many people do you have to seat in the vehicle ? I mean is number of occupants the only consideration for choosing 8 over 7 or is the 8 more comfier than 7.

Also which color are you finalising?

[sridhu]

Originally Posted by AWD

How many people do you have to seat in the vehicle ? I mean is number of occupants the only consideration for choosing 8 over 7 or is the 8 more comfier than 7.

Also which color are you finalising?

Really speaking, I have only 5 regulars. Six including the driver. The problem is that SOMEONE has to always sit in the last row. With an 8 seater, that is not the case. In the 8 seater, my mum (80+ years) can sit sideways and stretch her feet. Hence the requirement for the 8 seater.

Also, I guess we are used to it.

My friend, I am a married man ... I dont get to choose colour etc. I only get to solve major world problems like what we should do in PoK.

I have humbly suggested the red. So, I guess we will be buying the silver or bronze.

Originally Posted by karpusv

Are you sure?
AFAIK from the dealer visit, the Vx on display had a Back Camera integrated in in the back door. Even the brochure mentions it.
Even though the safety kit was lesser compared to the Zx, that was one of the things we were keen on, considering the size of the vehicle.

Now that you bring it up, no, I am not sure!

Thought it only had the sensors & no camera. If you confirm otherwise, happy to be corrected.

[karpusv]

Originally Posted by sridhu

There a few niggles (because life is like that!):
<SNIP>
- So, go for an 8 seat in Vx trim: very few safety features: No camera, no navigation...
...

Are you sure?
AFAIK from the dealer visit, the Vx on display had a Back Camera integrated in in the back door. Even the brochure mentions it.
Even though the safety kit was lesser compared to the Zx, that was one of the things we were keen on, considering the size of the vehicle.

[AWD]

Originally Posted by sridhu

The problem is that SOMEONE has to always sit in the last row. In the 8 seater, my mum (80+ years) can sit sideways and stretch her feet. Hence the requirement for the 8 seater.
we will be buying the silver or bronze.

Got your point. But otherwise if 2 adults were to sit on the rear seat, which is comfier, Captain seats or the bench ?

Regarding the color, I thought Bronze would be like the Golden in the old Innova but on seeing the shade, it turned out on the darker side. Guess its proper mud color.

Im actually trying to choose the right model (GX,ZX, etc), color (Silver, Bronze), 7 or 8 seater & finally Manual or Auto. Its turning harder than I thought ! I liked ZX Auto the most but don't see myself spending ~23L on an Innova. Otherwise I would have bought the ZX for sure & end the confusion.

Btw the local agency says that the base manual model won't be coming, its just for academic purposes. Is it right ? The 13.84L exshowroom one.