[ptushar]

Originally Posted by ptushar

Even if I consider the fact that the XUV will be "less" reliable than the Crysta; if I plan to own the vehicle for, say, about 10 years then the 5L will cover for any and all 'realiability' issues that I might face and plus cover me for atleast 50k to 60k kms of fuel.

After having written the above post, I went to the Toyota showroom to experience the Crysta. And my reaction was: "WOW!!!". The ZX version has a superb feel to it.

Liked everything about the car except the seating configuration. And I really fail to understand, after having done everything right why would they not allow the buyer to choose whether you want bench seats or captain seats on the second row. If I were them I would try and eliminate any and every possibility of the buyer to even consider the XUV. But here Toyota have introduced that small opportunity for buyers to consider an option.

Other than that there is nothing I could find fault with. Really liked the feel of the car

Originally Posted by AWD

Got your pov. But otherwise if 2 adults were to sit on the rear seat, which is comfier, Captain seats or the bench ?

In my personal view, the captain seat is a much better seat to ride in for long drives. Its quite comfortable. I have been in an Innova (not Crysta) for long drives in both configurations and surely the Captain seat is leagues ahead in comfort.

However, I somehow feel that when you are travelling with kids and/or older people then the bench seats are better options. They allow you to stretch a bit. Not to mention that when five people travel no one needs to sit in the last row.

Now coming to the last row. I spent some time in the last row with all seats in place. Most definitely the last row is quite comfortable in the Crysta. Though not a place for long dives, for city drives, this is fine. The seats recline and have an excellent headrest. Even the middle seat in the third row gets a seatbelt. But to confess, I would not want to be the person sitting in the middle of the third row even on city drives. Talk about sardines packed in a box.

So to summarise, whatever Toyota may want me to believe, this is a 6-seater - And a pretty good one at that.

[sridhu]

Originally Posted by AWD

Got your pov. But otherwise if 2 adults were to sit on the rear seat, which is comfier, Captain seats or the bench ?

Regarding the color, I thought Bronze would be like the Golden in the old Innova but on seeing the shade, it turned out on the darker side. Guess its proper mud color.

Im actually trying to choose the right model (GX,ZX, etc), color (Silver, Bronze), 7 or 8 seater & finally Manual or Auto. Its turning harder than I thought ! I liked ZX Auto the most but don't see myself spending ~23L on an Innova. Otherwise I would have bought the ZX for sure & end the confusion.

Btw the local agency says that the base manual model won't be coming, its just for academic purposes. Is it right ? The 13.84L exshowroom one.

From what I can see, the bench is basically the captain seat with one of them having an extension. Both should be equally comfortable. I have experience with the bench in the old car. Love it.

The new bench in the vx has an arm rest. So it should, Imo, be more Comfortable than the captain seats.

The bronze, I have to agree, is like post rain mud. Other than red, all colors are bland to my eyes. Silver is ok.

My entire point is that the way Toyota has specced the variants, you won't get what you want how much ever you spend. Strange & more is the pity.

The G & e model are made to order, AFAIK

[venom_op]

Originally Posted by docaxe

Booked my ZX AT

I wish they had a 8 str in ZX

Don't we all? Our family prefers the 8 seater arrangements too. But the Auto is only available in the ZX and weirdly the GX base model.

But hey, as a personal vehicle, it hardly matters for a family of 3. But the Added safety of 7 airbags and engine+AT Combination is enough to warrant a purchase.

Booked mine in Garnet red too.

If you don't mind me asking.. Why the shift to White from Red?

[architkarpe]

Originally Posted by AWD

Btw the local agency says that the base manual model won't be coming, its just for academic purposes. Is it right ? The 13.84L exshowroom one.

The brochure mentions in small font with an asterisk that it is as per order only.

[AWD]

Originally Posted by ptushar

captain seat is a much better seat to ride in for long drives. Its quite comfortable. I somehow feel that when you are travelling with kids and/or older people then the bench seats are better options. They allow you to stretch a bit. Not to mention that when five people travel no one needs to sit in the last row.

So the Captain seats provide more comfort for 2 passengers. I previously preferred the bench seat for the same reasons you mentioned but now Im a bit inclined towards the captain seats.

Btw, can the drivers seat with manual height adjustment feature from VX model be fixed on GX ? This is one feature I like very much.

Originally Posted by sridhu

bench is basically the captain seat with one of them having an extension. Both should be equally comfortable.
The bronze, I have to agree, is like post rain mud. Other than red, all colors are bland to my eyes. Silver is ok.

So your choice is a bench seat. I will checkout both again.

Bronze looks like wet mud, ok. But in a good way or a sh*t way ! lol

Originally Posted by architkarpe

the broucher mentions in small font with an astrix that it is as per order only.

Good catch. Spec sheets hadn't arrived here at the agencies when I visited so could not check.

[docaxe]

Originally Posted by venom_op

Don't we all? Our family prefers the 8 seater arrangements too. But the Auto is only available in the ZX and weirdly the GX base model.

But hey, as a personal vehicle, it hardly matters for a family of 3. But the Added safety of 7 airbags and engine+AT Combination is enough to warrant a purchase.

Booked mine in Garnet red too.

If you don't mind me asking.. Why the shift to White from Red?

With Mumbai traffic and kids in our apartment maintaining red would be a task hence the change!
Done with the payments car expected to be delivered in two weeks time

[sridhu]

I am in the market for the Crysta (was in fact waiting for it for about a year) and was quite satisfied that Toyota seemed to be hitting the right buttons when they released the Crysta. All goodies, including the automatic & a larger, more powerful engine were there. Automotive heaven, right?

No! When you go to book a Crysta, the details get you. If you want a 8 seater with automatic, you gotta go cheap. If you want a manual, you cant have the bigger engine. You cant have safety if you want an 8 seater.

This parental, and frankly arbitrary, diktats set me thinking on what could be the ideal customer that Toyota described for each of the variants when marketing / product management folks sat down to specify the variants.

This is a serious exercise but forgive my occasional snarkiness.

2.8 AT Zx:
- Forty +; successful; nuclear family; self driven; 2+ car household; Crysta mainly for commute; no non-sense; golf player; 20% travel out of town - largely cities; Toyota loyalist; replaces car in around 5 years;

2.4 MT Zx:
- 45 +; upper middle class; driver driven; nuclear family; 2 car household; Crysta primary car; 30% out of city travel; dog owner; Toyota loyalist; 5 yr replacement cycle

2.4 MT Vx:
- 50 +; driver driven; middle class; largish family; 10% out of city travel; 1 car household; temple goer; VFM seeker but sufficient disposable income; 200k replacement cycle


2.8 AT Gx:
- 35 +; Self driven; middle class; single car; large extended family; 1 car household; multiple trips with full load; 35% out of city; price driven VFM seeker; replace with next version


2.4 MT Gx:
- Successful, self driven taxi driver with existing client base; fleet modernization drive; probably 3 or 4th car in fleet; replace based on maintenance cost; 65% out of city

Looks like they have decided that people with sufficient disposable income do not have extended families any more. Or if you have extended families, you are a VFM customer and wont spend.

[ecenandu]

Originally Posted by sridhu

2.4 MT Vx:
- 50 +; driver driven; middle class; largish family; 10% out of city travel; 1 car household; temple goer; VFM seeker but sufficient disposable income; 200k replacement cycle

Kinda spot on, at least for our purchase. Except the temple part.

This will be our 6th car, we don't replace our cars that often.

1. Ambassador 1984 - 2002
2. Opel Astra 2002 - 2008 (85,xxx kilometers)
3. Honda City 2008 - till date(1,25,xxx kilometers)
4. Hyundai Verna 2012 - till date (Sister's car 45,xxx kilometers)
5. Chevy Spark - 2010 - 2014 (Mine, 40,xxx kilometers)

For Ambassador, I don't remember how many kilometers have been clocked, 2 lakhs +, maybe. IIRC, we did change the engine once, our ex-driver conned us to do the swap.

I still remember, every trip was an event. We always end up with some issue or the other with car, especially on long trips.

Ours was a petrol one and was peppy compared to other Amby's. I still remember when a Maruthi 800 got surprised when we out dragged him on a overtaking move.

We have faced the issues of unreliability with the Ambassador and because of that my dad always wanted to buy a car with better reliability. No doubt, almost all of the modern cars are ten times more reliable than the Amby,now.

One more point I wanted to highlight here is that unreliability with a car will cause lot of inconveniences

• Visits to the service center to get the issue resolved
• Unavailability of the cars during unscheduled visit to ASS
• Getting stranded due to unreliability.

[Libran10]

Originally Posted by sridhu

.

This is a serious exercise but forgive my occasional snarkiness.

2.8 AT Zx:
- Forty +; successful; nuclear family; self driven; 2+ car household; Crysta mainly for commute; no non-sense; golf player; 20% travel out of town - largely cities; Toyota loyalist; replaces car in around 5 years;

2.4 MT Zx:
- 45 +; upper middle class; driver driven; nuclear family; 2 car household; Crysta primary car; 30% out of city travel; dog owner; Toyota loyalist; 5 yr replacement cycle

2.4 MT Vx:
- 50 +; driver driven; middle class; largish family; 10% out of city travel; 1 car household; temple goer; VFM seeker but sufficient disposable income; 200k replacement cycle


2.8 AT Gx:
- 35 +; Self driven; middle class; single car; large extended family; 1 car household; multiple trips with full load; 35% out of city; price driven VFM seeker; replace with next version


2.4 MT Gx:
- Successful, self driven taxi driver with existing client base; fleet modernization drive; probably 3 or 4th car in fleet; replace based on maintenance cost; 65% out of city

Looks like they have decided that people with sufficient disposable income do not have extended families any more. Or if you have extended families, you are a VFM customer and wont spend.

I am buying the 2.8 GX AT - In a mix of the above -> 45+ mostly self driven, , golfer, Toyota loyalist - will not sell for a decade atleast. Trading in my 9.5 year old Innova for this- Only a minimal upgrade - AT and 7 seater - given that Blore traffic is getting messier by the day. Hence the AT.

Are there more like me- then need a separate category

[hkollar]

Originally Posted by Libran10

I am buying the 2.8 GX AT - In a mix of the above -> 45+ mostly self driven, , golfer, Toyota loyalist - will not sell for a decade atleast. Trading in my 9.5 year old Innova for this- Only a minimal upgrade - AT and 7 seater - given that Blore traffic is getting messier by the day. Hence the AT.

Are there more like me- then need a separate category

I was in the same boat as you, my Innova is 11yr old, was tempted to go for AT.

But, I do almost all my city driving now in Electric E2O, and Innova remains only for long family drives. Even there I crave for an AT, but then again felt the upgrade is not justified for just 4-5trips a year, so settled for 200,000km replacement category!!

One more thing I am worried about is the Anti-Diesel movement the world over and also in large Indian cities. Both from regulatory perspective and environmental perspective. I used to think diesel to be an efficient fuel (with lesser CO2 emission per km) all these years, but of-late I wonder if it indeed good, with all noise about NoX emissions. Perhaps cities are indeed better off without small diesel vehicles.

So, unless proven to be clean, diesel will become progressively difficult to own. Govts/courts may restrict and even if they don't, our conscious may push us away from using it within cities.

[JediKnight]

Originally Posted by sridhu

2.8 AT Zx:
self driven

2.4 MT Zx:
driver driven

2.4 MT Vx:
driver driven

2.8 AT Gx:
Self driven

.

Why only AT for self drivers. I love my manuals even though i drive in Bangalore peak traffic. I for one would like an AT if chauffeured. So i wouldn't cringe when he changes gear at the wrong RPM.

[sridhu]

Originally Posted by JediKnight

Why only AT for self drivers. I love my manuals even though i drive in Bangalore peak traffic. I for one would like an AT if chauffeured. So i wouldn't cringe when he changes gear at the wrong RPM.

Think that people would not pay the 2 L premium so that their driver can be comfortable!

[m8002?]

Checked out the new Crysta today. Frankly, couldn't find anything wrong with it except the price :-) and the faux wood panels. The car has an imposing stance, very spacious and good interiors.

Given that there is no competition, Toyota can and will continue to milk the customers. And the way BR-V, Terrano, Creta are priced, I guess Toyota's price is justified.

[ecosport rules]

Good news for all the crysta seekers,both the 2.4 and 2.8 litre engines are made in Thailand

I hope the new fortuner also gets the engine block from thailand

[manoj_joseph78]

Originally Posted by ecosport rules

Good news for all the crysta seekers,both the 2.4 and 2.8 litre engines are made in Thailand

I hope the new fortuner also gets the engine block from thailand

Why is that a good news? Am I missing something?