[volkman10]

SMC gears up for the EV phase, adds fresh investments of around Rs 3,800 crore in Gujarat to add a third production unit.

Additionally, it also announced, along with its partners Toshiba and Denso, an investment of around Rs 1,150 crore for a new unit to produce lithium ion batteries — a first by an auto firm in the country.

The Li-ion battery plant which will be operational by 2020.

SMC intends to build its Hybrid and Electic Vehicles in India for exports. The EV vehicle and its technology is rumored to be the outcome with its alliance partner Toyota.

The batteries will be used for “hybrid vehicles manufactured in India and export these genuinely manufactured in India vehicles to international market

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[gksunil]

The average electric car has 50 kWh battery for 350km range. (Tesla model3 is used for calculation). This can be charged form 240V ac 32 A socket in the house. Per hour charge gives it 48 km range. Hence it takes roughly 7 hours to fully charge it. If you you charge the battery one time you will consume 50 units. If we assume Tesla figures at the maximum, that is 240 V and 16 A (it will be less than 32 A and it varies with time), it corresponds to 3.8 kW. Let us say, in a small city, there are 50,000 cars are being charged at the same time (in 2030 of course!, mostly in night time), the peak power demand will be 190 MWe ( an average power plant size). I wonder how many such cities are there and how many power plants we have to build during these 13 years, which would give base load power in the night?!!!That too clean power!

[payeng]

Lets Forget about the Environmentally Friendly part.. even then fossil fuel will run out of reserves one day.

What then? Its better to invest and spend time right now to find alternatives.

[volkman10]

The Minister mellows down the earlier ' high pitch' tone on EV's. Coins in 'alternative ' fuel based vehicles to be promoted.

The government has asked automakers to develop vehicles that run on alternative fuels and fuel companies to develop bio-fuels, but doesn't intend to shut their business even as India pushes the pedal to the metal on its electric vehicle ambitions.

The biggest challenge to move to electric mobility is the price of electric vehicle, which continues to be high due to expensive batteries

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[Thermodynamics]

This is a welcome statement and definitely a right vision from our policy makers. But the challenge is humongous when 25% (45 million) of rural households across the country still have no electricity (link). Even the mega cities have regular power outage. 37% of schools in India have no electricity (link).

In my opinion, first milestone should be 100% electricity for basic needs followed by 100% communication network (phone and internet). Only then we can promise 100% wireless economy and 100% e-vehicle.

In the meanwhile, the policies should be aligned per their vision, we cannot promise 100% e-vehicle and increase taxes on full hybrid vehicles which serve the transformation from internal combustion to fully electric vehicles.

[volkman10]

Back to the 100 % EV story!

India will stick to plan of having 100% electric mobility by 2030 says Minister!

The official year for going all electric — which means all vehicles sold from then will be electric — remains 2030, the minister said. However, a top official said the government was aiming to advance the target.

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[gksunil]

All the talks about Li battery cost and the number of charging stations. What about the power to charge them? How to double the installed capacity with clean energy in 20 years? Are they even aware of the expected surge including e vehicle and growth surge?

[sgiitk]

The Power Mantri want the maximum custom for his wares. While it may be relatively easier to upgrade the A (and higher) roads it is the B (and even more so) C roads. So I do not expect his hopes being realized that fast.

[rakesh_r]

I respect the Idea that the minister has proposed. But the proposed time would grossly be inadequate w.r.t the population density we have. At the current scenario where power theft is rampant, are you sure those charging sockets would be free of encroachment?

[drsingh]

100% electrification of vehicles by 2030? Yeah. Right!


https://in.reuters.com/article/relia...-idINKCN1BV17Z

[R2D2]

Just saw this article on economic times dot com.

General Motors has just signed the death warrant for your petrol car

Future is EV no doubt but when the world will actually be ALL EV for transportation is a debatable question. But the countdown towards the end of the ICE era has begun.

[TejasKinger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSjYra7cYqY

Just watched this video on YouTube about why Norway is the electric car capital of the world. If we need to go all-electric by 2030, we have a long way to go.

[Joxster]

Just came across this interesting article, which is based on a study by the University of Michigan:

China and India both aspire to embrace electric cars to cut petroleum dependence over the next decade. But there’s a big reality check: Electric cars are only as clean as the power sources that charge them. So far, in both of these rapidly changing markets, the electrical grids are quite dirty.

Both China and India fall into a group of nations in which EVs aren’t much better for carbon emissions than some of the more efficient gasoline-powered cars. Based on new calculations from Michael Sivak and Brandon Schoettle of the University of Michigan, a gasoline car in India needs to get almost 36 mpg to achieve lower carbon emissions than a typical battery-electric vehicle. In China, the figure is 40 mpg.

In other countries, by and large, figures favor the EV in a much more promising way. On a global average, you’d need to get 52 mpg to rival plugging in, while on average in the United States, a gasoline-powered car would need to get 55 mpg to be cleaner than EVs charged from the grid.

Among the 12 nations in the world with the largest economies, France stands out as having the lowest emissions associated with plugging in—a gas car would need to get the equivalent of 525 mpg to match an average battery-electric vehicle there—while Canada and Brazil follow with the equivalent of more than 150 mpg. Germany, the United Kingdom, Italy, and Russia all weighed in above the global average, while Japan, India, and South Korea were all below the global average.

The researchers behind the report produced a world map ranking 143 of the 195 “currently recognized sovereign states” in the world, ranking them in four color-coded groups (Image Below).

Purely by looking at electrical grids, Albania is the only country in which an electric vehicle generates 100 percent of its grid power from hydroelectric sources like dams, while Botswana and Gibraltar are mentioned as examples in the other direction.
Norway remains a high achiever for EVs. Almost a third of the new passenger vehicles sold in that Scandinavian nation in 2016 were pure electric models, while the Netherlands tops 5 percent and Sweden, France, the United Kingdom, and China all top the U.S. market’s sub-1-percent level.

To arrive at these assessments, the Michigan team essentially compounded two well-respected data sets. Country-specific information was sourced from the International Energy Agency (IEA) and some of the conclusions and figures from the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) study 2015 Cleaner Cars from Cradle to Grave, in which most energy sources were given greenhouse-gas mile-per-gallon equivalents—all relative to some assumptions about the emissions associated with producing a gallon of gasoline.

It’s All in the Mix

Those scientists calculated that electricity generated using coal and oil was equivalent to 29 miles per gallon of gasoline, while natural gas was the same as getting 58 mpg. Geothermal and solar sources were rated at 310 and 350 mpg, respectively, while nuclear, wind, and hydro sources were in the thousands of miles per gallon.

The averages were based on an EPA-rated efficiency of 102 miles per gallon equivalent (MPGe)—0.33 kWh per mile—for electric vehicles. That happens to be the MPGe rating for both the 2017 Tesla Model S 100D and the Smart Fortwo Electric Drive cabriolet. At present, the EPA lists 18 trims or models with even better efficiency than that. So in the United States, or pretty much anywhere, electric cars do much better on carbon emissions than most gasoline vehicles.

But as for how much better? It depends. It depends on your local and regional utilities and where they get their power; and it even depends on the time of day. The figures also don’t include the cradle-to-grave emissions involved in manufacturing vehicles or their batteries—or in how materials are sourced.

On the other hand, they don’t include another important point: A gasoline vehicle isn’t going to emit any less at the tailpipe as it gets older, although it’s likely that over the life of an electric vehicle, energy replenished from the grid will keep getting cleaner—whether in China, India, or your own garage.

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Based on the above article, a quick conversion in Google tells me that the fuel efficiency that a petrol car in India needs to achieve in order to emit the lower carbon emissions than an EV is 15.3 KMPL.
Most family hatchbacks in India deliver this kind of fuel economy, so India indeed has a long way to go in terms of producing cleaner electricity, and only once that is achieved, then EVs will make much more sense to introduce.

Cheers

[V.Narayan]

Originally Posted by Joxster

Just came across this interesting article, which is based on a study by the University of Michigan:

Based on the above article, a quick conversion in Google tells me that the fuel efficiency that a petrol car in India needs to achieve in order to emit the lower carbon emissions than an EV is 15.3 KMPL.

Would you know if the study on using petrol/diesel versus electricity from the grid took into account the effect of pollution in mining and then transporting the coal/gas to the power station as well as the petrol/diesel right up to the petrol pump next door. My guess is that after the carbon foot print of this is counted we may see different answers. Also given the way big corporations act in pushing their way I wonder if such studies are indirectly funded by the makers of ICE cars and producers of oil. Don't mean to point any finger at this particular study by a respected institution but over the years we have seen this in foods, aerated drinks, pharma and others.

[Joxster]

Originally Posted by V.Narayan

Would you know if the study on using petrol/diesel versus electricity from the grid took into account the effect of pollution in mining and then transporting the coal/gas to the power station as well as the petrol/diesel right up to the petrol pump next door. My guess is that after the carbon foot print of this is counted we may see different answers. Also given the way big corporations act in pushing their way I wonder if such studies are indirectly funded by the makers of ICE cars and producers of oil. Don't mean to point any finger at this particular study by a respected institution but over the years we have seen this in foods, aerated drinks, pharma and others.

No sir! I am honestly not sure about that. I do agree that those additional steps need to be factored in as well, but I don't think that there is any study that includes the additional pollution generated from mining and transportation of coal and oil.
That being said, I am not in any way advocating that Petrol/Diesel is better than electricity, but saying that India should really focus on greener electricity before trying to introduce EVs on such a large scale, otherwise it becomes a bit of the chicken before the egg story

Cheers