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Old 3rd January 2018, 15:06   #211
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Interesting topic that always puts me into trouble with EV promoters.

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Our dependence on non-renewable forms is still over 75% with hardly any EVs on road. Our electricity requirement will easily double with an added electric car per household. Burning more coal / gas elsewhere to drive clean cars in the cities is not really an alternative. We after all have one planet.

How in this equation does renewable forms answer our energy demand!
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Our dependence on non-renewable forms is still over 75% with hardly any EVs on road. Our electricity requirement will easily double with an added electric car per household. Burning more coal / gas elsewhere to drive clean cars in the cities is not really an alternative. We after all have one planet.
Your concern is right, one planet and somewhere we need to generate the electricity. But, the trick is somewhere else:

1. Even on a same planet, the actual harm would be much lesser when the source of pollutant is far away. And, with newer Super Critical Power Plant the efficiency level and control over pollutants are very encouraging.

2. Let me not talk about the huge cost advantage (saving foreign exchange) we'll have and reduction in our dependencies on imports.

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How in this equation does renewable forms answer our energy demand!
1. For equivalent power generated using even fossil fuel for an EV, the resulting pollution would be much lesser (I guess, half at least!) So, for running your petrol/diesel car for equal distance as compared to an EV, you may end up polluting twice as much, even with the power for EV coming from a coal based power plant.

2. Mix of source of power progressively tilting towards renewable energy, hence more share of power for EV from even less polluting source.

Hope I tried to make sense.

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Even on a same planet, the actual harm would be much lesser when the source of pollutant is far away. And, with newer Super Critical Power Plant the efficiency level and control over pollutants are very encouraging.
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Here we're looking at separating residential settlements from powerplant zones?

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Hope I tried to make sense.
I completely agree with your view. It surely is the way to go where pollutants are contained and not emitted to air without treatment. I probably didn't drive my message clearly enough. The problem I see is in implementing the whole thing by 2030. It is only 12 years away. Today, I doubt if powerplant emissions are well treated.

I do support the drive for clean air. Badly in need, being a resident of Bangalore. I for one would applaud if it takes shape. Somehow I feel 2030 looks a bit too ambitious.

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Somehow I feel 2030 looks a bit too ambitious.
The ministry already backtracked, pls see few earlier posts

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Our dependence on non-renewable forms is still over 75% with hardly any EVs on road. Our electricity requirement will easily double with an added electric car per household. Burning more coal / gas elsewhere to drive clean cars in the cities is not really an alternative. We after all have one planet.
Coal imports may rise to 62 mt in FY19 to meet power demand.

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the country's dependence on thermal power generation is likely to remain high in the absence of any substantial improvement in power generation from other sources.
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With the demand for power likely to remain healthy in the rest of FY19 and thermal capacity contributing to the required growth, coal availability becomes a key determinant. Considering the historical growth rate of domestic non-coking coal production and offtake, imported coal requirement will increase, as against FY18 when imported coal usage declined
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Your concern is right, one planet .........Hope I tried to make sense.



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Here we're looking at separating residential settlements from powerplant zones? .......Somehow I feel 2030 looks a bit too ambitious.
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Govt. deadlines are meant to be broken ! But 2030 as a goal for such vaulting ambitions is certainly......optimistic?
And treating power plant exhaust emissions while being the currently acceptable practice is far from being a viable solution, shipping being case in point. Shipping co. worldwide are under last-straw pressure to contain flue-gas/exh-gas emissions - large ships today having near-equivalent captive diesel power plants (in the range of 80,000 KW/107000 HP).

But the reluctance to retro-fitting (or even in new-builds) scrubbers or other forms of exhaust treatment installations is palpable, obviously for economic reasons. It is anybody's guess as to what will work - coercion of some sort or a carrot-and-stick policy. How long we keep our "lovely blue planet" in that healthy state is a conundrum that's still very much alive.

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No deadline for 100% electrification of vehicles : Minister

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no developed country has achieved even 30 per cent electric mobility. “We need not hurry, but we have to work towards achieving maximum electric mobility.

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