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Old 17th December 2018, 08:41   #226
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Tata Power plans to invest around Rs 700 million to set up nearly 1,000 charging points in the National Capital Region (NCR) region, for electric vehicles (EVs).
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It seems quite well planned, so here's a basic understanding :

Tata will just franchise the charging dock to entities who can use their space. I guess ₹7 lakh is the cost per charging dock.

Any charging point will probably require the ability to charge 2-3 cars. Thats atleast about 200sqft of real estate, costing about 10-12k per month. Dedicated service & security personnel, costing another 15-20k per month. That's ~30k saved because they're partnering with OMCs/Malls etc who've already invested in the space.

This is a city/UT where electricity has become brilliantly cost effective with easy access. Maybe it'll work out! (As long as an honest govt stays in place).
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Union Ministers' View differs - reality prevails now!

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Assured representatives of automotive component makers that the government will move towards electric vehicles slowly and it will be business as usual for the component makers.

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Transport minister i is seeking a recalibration of the electric vehicle (EV) rollout plan with his ministry even considering a longer implementation schedule rather than setting any cut-off date.
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One of those rare breed of politicians who actually uses his head to think. There is hardly any infrastructure available to speak of with respect to charging stations and they wanted to set a deadline for e vehicle roll out. Good to see that better sense has prevailed. Of course we need to move to electric vehicles in the long run, but the current technology hardly suffices.

I for one, wouldn't want to touch an electric vehicle unless one is available that can do at least 350-400 kms on a single charge is available at a cost similar to IC vehicles.

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At it again - Is it the start of diesel ban?

Maharashtra's Six Districts To Be Diesel-Free : Minister

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Perhaps the right way to do this would be to migrate State RTC Buses to electric first and then maybe two wheelers before thinking of cars. The reason I say buses first is that the SRTC's already have some of the infrastructure like space for setting up charging stations in place. Outside Delhi and perhaps a few other cities buses still run on Diesel and not cleaner fuels like CNG. By migrating these buses to Electric we will also end up putting in place the charging infrastructure which the SRTCs can later use as a source of revenue by providing them on payment basis to private car owners.

Here in Kerala, the Kerala SRTC has tried out electric buses on some routes. These have a range of 300KM and are said to take 3-4 hours for a full charge.
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This thing (NITI Aayog ) is back again : Only electric vehicles to be sold after 2030!


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This thing (NITI Aayog ) is back again : Only electric vehicles to be sold after 2030!
What kind of crap these guys utter. Do they hear themselves when they speak?

I might sound pessimistic but i guess this is the reality. We cannot go from zero to 100 in just 11 years. We sold just 3,600 Electric cars in 2018 and the government expects all vehicles to turn electric in such a short period of time? Do we have that kind of infrastructure, policies, and awareness? I know we should be aiming for the moon but are we even capable of landing on the stars?

Till date we do not have a single mass market EV product (car) that anyone can buy and they talk about millions of cars in the next 11 years. I don't think the government has enough resources to make this happen so early. Do we have the budgets to subsidise EVs, which will make them popular? Do we have the technology to mass produce EVs in India? Have we invested in battery technology to be able to produce over 5-million cars in a year ( i am assuming that PV industry will be 5-million plus by then)? Do we have access to such amount of electricity to be able to charge those cars? There are many fundamental questions that the government needs to answer before any NITI Aayog can utter whatever it wants.
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If the range and charging times don't make it a viable proposition, one can buy a regular car in 2029. Nothing to be worried about for around another 7-8 years. Buy 20 years I guess electric or alternate energy vehicles will be having pretty good ranges and charging times.
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Here in Kerala, the Kerala SRTC has tried out electric buses on some routes. These have a range of 300KM and are said to take 3-4 hours for a full charge.
And it ran out of power midway on day 1

https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities...le26369225.ece
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This was in yesterday's TOI - Electric AC buses to ply from Mumbai to Pune

Maharashtra State Road Transport Corporation (MSRTC) has now floated tenders for 100 new electric AC buses to be procured on a wet lease.

They plan to run on Mumbai-Pune, Pune-Nasik corridors.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/69818617.cms
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This thing (NITI Aayog ) is back again : Only electric vehicles to be sold after 2030!
With the current technology available in India, EV's are not viable for Indian roads for the below scenario.
1. One need to spend hours to recharge the battery (Current charging hours are nearly the total travel hours between the cities)
2. Low Range (Get us stranded on highways)
3. EV's are costly to buy
4. And no infrastructure available (Forgot about last mile connectivity, in the last few years only most remote locations in India got electricity)
5. Setting the target year as 2030 is highly ambitious (Though we may get better technologies in a decade, still it seems a dream)
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This will still not solve the fossil fuels issue since more than 80% of electricity is still produced in thermal plants using coal. So it's just misplacement of the carbon footprint, no reduction of carbon footprint. Also the transmission losses in the Indian power distribution system is 21%.
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elec...ector_in_India

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Also, look at the countries that are ahead of us in terms of transmission losses. 113 countries are better than us according to this list:
https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/ind...SS.ZS/rankings

I'm not going to criticize the transmission system because we're a huge country with our own set of problems.

However, a decision taken in haste to migrate to electric cars by 2030 is going to impact us negatively.

1. The carbon footprint is not going down. In fact it might go up.
2. When the demand for electricity increases due to electric cars, who do you think is going to take the brunt. The non urban areas that are already facing load shedding.
3. Also, the increase demand will be met by thermal plants, burning more coal, since the renewable sources' infrastructure is still not mature enough to handle this demand.

I remember reading an article by Mercedes India head some time ago, where he clearly said India should not hurry into electrification of cars until we have solved the problem of clean power generation.
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This will still not solve the fossil fuels issue since more than 80% of electricity is still produced in thermal plants using coal. So it's just misplacement of the carbon footprint, no reduction of carbon footprint. Also the transmission losses in the Indian power distribution system is 21%.
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elec...ector_in_India


1. The carbon footprint is not going down. In fact it might go up.
2. When the demand for electricity increases due to electric cars, who do you think is going to take the brunt. The non urban areas that are already facing load shedding.
3. Also, the increase demand will be met by thermal plants, burning more coal, since the renewable sources' infrastructure is still not mature enough to handle this demand.
1. The rate of growth of Renewable energy is at a much faster pace than thermal energy. If you look at the same WiKi page, you can see that since 2017, only 8GW of Thermal energy was added while 22GW of renewable energy was added in the same time frame. Interesting to note that Gas and diesel based power generation went down from 25.3GW to 24.9GW and 838MW to 637MW respectively in the same time period.

2. India is already power surplus with respect to its installed capacity. The challenge is only in its infrastructure that can provide 24x7 supply and the financial situation of State power companies to buy the surplus power. The addition of renewable energy plants will keep pace with the popularity of electric cars. Also do keep in mind the installation of home solar setup will also grow. People will be happy to spend 70k (prices going down every year) for a 1 KW solar setup which can produce the power equivalent of 600-900KMs of EV range in a month. I have a 3KW solar setup and a Mahindra E2O. I drove ~5000KM last year and my total (house + car) electricity consumption is still negative.

3. The Govt plans to decommission 48GW of coal fired plants in a phased manner. All coal plants older than 25 years will be decommissioned. Tender for 115 GW of renewable energy for 2019 is in progress and expected to be commissioned by 2023. So, the increased demand will not be met by thermal plants.
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Even the USA, with all their infrastructure and wonderful EVs combined with affordability and tax credits have seen only 2% of cars being electric. The only way India can get to full EVs is to transition by using Hybrids that can run for a short distance (~15km) on pure electricity.

I hope the hydrogen becomes a feasible technology by 2030. We could reduce mining of Lithium in that case.
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