re: Overdrive's hatchback track test - Figo 1.5 diesel quickest! Quote:
Originally Posted by mxh The 1.5 Figo petrol is over 4 seconds slower than the 1.5 Figo diesel even though is has higher peak power? Somehow I don't trust these results or the driver completely. |
And the petrol Figo thus nabs a higher top speed due to that higher power rating however, it is bogged down by a DCT so results really aren't that surprising.
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Originally Posted by mxh Also check the last line in the article, it says the hatchbacks are running JK tyres and Mobil 1 oil. Why not stock?? |
Equalizer to properly test and compare each car's abilities. Control measures are taken both on track and in the science lab Quote:
Originally Posted by mxh Why do we need a leveller? Is that how the cars are sold to consumers? Cars should cars use the same tyres and fluids that customers buy them with. Would you run a Ferrari on JK tyres and mineral oil if they get sponsorship from those companies? As far as I'm concerned, this invalidates the results to a large degree. It gives unfair advantage to some cars and unfair disadvantage to others. |
All track or lap time tests are done using control tyres. It has always been an important element when comparing lap times so as to have no unfair advantage. Besides, if you bought a car you would probably use a different set of tyres for track days anyway. No car in this test comes with amazing tyres as stock. They all use some budget eco tyre or the other in the same class as the JK Vectras so no need to cry foul here mate. Quote:
Originally Posted by nakul0888 This is fishy stuff. Something doesnt add up.
But how does the petrol cars get left behind in a track day where you are at the redline all the time. Diesels are literally dead at the top end so, their low down torque advantage wouldnt matter very much.
Was this done at some sort of go kart track? |
The only strong contenders from the Petrol side are the T-jet in the Abarth, 1.5 duratec in the Figo and 1.2tsi in the Polo. The one outfitted with a manual gearbox that doesn't question your decisions or fumble on downshifts, is obviously the only one with a good lap time. The 1.2 K series and 1.2 petrol in the i20 and 1.2 VTEC in the Jazz really don't stack up well in comparison to their diesel counterparts. Replace the weak and weedy K series motor with the old G13B and take the 1.2 VTEC plonked into the Brio which is a lighter more taut chassis, and you will get some respectable times. Quote:
Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR The advantage on track for the Figo diesel is 0.1 seconds. This is after downgrading of tyres on the Abarth and might be the original Alnacs on the FIAT would have helped matters here. But, taking the 0.1 seconds as it is - Abarth still retains a wonderful steering and a fully communicative chasis balance as mentioned in the article itself. Figo diesel might be faster, but which one would be more fun to drive? |
Both the JK Vectras and Apollo Alnacs are low budget eco tyres. Neither more impressive than the other. Abarth is definitely a good car and I'd love to cruise around in it but I'm not sure which would be more fun to drive 10 out of 10 times because I love pushing cars close to their limits (it is a different thrill altogether when compared to just going fast) and when you do that I find the more important things to be being able to rotate the chassis and shifting. A car that allows you to easily control the shift of weight (Punto's suspension while brilliant, is still too soft for the weight of the body and ends up making it roll/dive/squat too much) and a solid gearbox with smooth shifts and short throws allows for easier fluent shifts especially while rev-matching. The Abarth Punto is great and I can appreciate the ride, grip, feedback and power levels while cruising around but I find it less pleasurable than it could be on the limit making it feel like we got a bit of a diluted version here in India. Quote:
Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR Polo GT TSi -
Lol. This was supposed to be competition to the Punto Abarth and with so many numerous heated debates on our forums about how the DSG would make up for the power deficit, i least expected Polo GT TSi to be competing and losing against Baleno and i20 diesels and barely managing to stay ahead of the Jazz diesel. Punto Abarth and the Figo diesel is way faster.
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No surprise there really there is simply no way a stock DSG car can compete with a Manual. Even if you are using manual mode, the DSG wont shift down close to the redline, and even if it does, you will still have to be less aggressive on the car to maintain control of shift of weight considering you are not allowed to blip the throttle on downshifts to match revs. These things make night and day kind of difference while racing. Quote:
Originally Posted by thoma I couldn't get it clearly. Is the top speeds restricted due to the track or are these the car's maximum capacity? |
Obviously it is due to the track. Quote:
Originally Posted by Rajeevraj Ah. Thanks. Makes perfect sense now. So the DSG, which is a perfect match to the TSI on the road fails it on the track.I assume a manual TSI would have given a much better fight to the Punto and Abarth.
Wish they had got a GT TDI into the mix too. Would have been interesting to see how that fared. |
Having extensively driven the Fabia and the Polo even in 1.6 petrol guise, I strongly believe that had the GT TSI been equipped with a manual it would have been at the top in this test. The car may be a bit soft, might have a light steering with no feedback and no stonking brakes like the Abarth, but it is simply a delight to drive on the limit. FWD drifting has never been more easy and controllable than in the Polo/Fabia. Something just makes it click in the way it is setup that allows you to dance on its limits with relative confidence.
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