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Originally Posted by ksameer1234 Could your observation be due to the fact that JTP is able to mask the speed better due to improved handling characteristics? If not, then it would be a big dampener if JTP do not offer a significant performance jump against competition. |
Not Really, these figures are good as long as the engine is boiling above 3000 RPM else there is horrible lag before that.
Ideally, 20-80 kmph figures are calculated in 3rd gear and 40-100 in 4th gears. The JTP in similar gears would face horrible lag initially. So not sure of the gears of all the cars in the figures posted by Rushlane (though the ones for Swift looks like 3rd and 4th gears respectively). Also the JTP engines are not free revving at all compared to the K series engines, so power buildup takes time. That said if both are in 2nd gear, thanks to the longer gearing of the kseries cars and much lighter kerb weight of swift (near 175 kgs) they wouldn't be 8.5 secs behind for sure. Its a difference of ~15bhp PTW and ~11 NM TTW with a heavy lag lower down and a dead engine below 3000 RPM. I drive a Ignis as a city runabout which is even lighter so difference above is even lesser.
I am again saying it is a much better alternative than a normal Tiago but
not a big jump as a daily driver over the other 1.2 alternatives available except the GT Tsi ofcourse. If you are buying it just to use for highways and tracks where the revs can be managed to be kept high, then yes maybe it's a decent choice. But again if someone has the resources to buy a hatch just for that, am sure they can afford the proper hot hatches like an Abarth or GT . Why would they buy a Tiago.
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Originally Posted by agambhandari I see from most of your posts that you are living in Delhi, would you please mention which dealer has the TD car available? |
I am in Bangalore at the moment on a business trip. Had free time over the weekend.
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Originally Posted by amit_mechengg You nailed it. If you have a car that does 0-100 under 10 seconds and then you call it a non performer with no pull etc it would be amazing to understand how a maruti with far off performance figures performs better.
I have friends who are used to driving a naturally aspirated car and they find it difficult to drive the linea tjet and abarth and they share a similar experience that the turbo cars dont feel fast.
Other fact is they dont even come to know how fast they are going unless they see the speedo. A fiat doing 140 kmph will feel like a maruti doing 60 kmph. The JTP being a good handling car will give a similar experience. |
I never said it isn't better, but said it was not something to go gaga over.
A stock Linea too faces horrible lag lower down, which is why most of us remap it right ? Rajiv from Wolf Moto lives on remapping TJets
A stock Linea is not significantly faster 0-100 or in-gear than a Honda City, if at all, even with higher torque figures. Then comes the gearing. The turbo charged car in stock runs out of breath much earlier than the ivtec in a particular gear, where the City keeps pulling till 7000 thanks to the vtec kicking in. Then there is the weight advantage. So if people say that a Linea doesn't feel faster than a NA car like Honda City, I dont think it is all rubbish.
I am saying this all on experience and not reading reviews. Till a couple of months back, I owned both a new 2017 City, a Civic and a Laura Tsi side by side. Additionally one of my closest friend owns a remapped Linea Tjet which I drive a lot. All 4 cars were a part of the same garage next to each other and we did swap cars regularly. So it's not that I donot know how to drive or haven't driven turbocharged petrol cars or haven't owned cars with speed masking capabilities.
There are lots of parameters like weight, gearing, torque band, engine timing, how free revving is the engine to build power, how quickly the revs fall, etc which determines the performance of car. Just because a car has a turbo plonked doesn't really make it leaps and bounds ahead of the others. A JTP in stock form will be a headache like a stock Linea in City traffic. A remap would shift the balance though, hopefully.
To be clear, when compared against it's segment consisting Wagon R, Celerio, Santro, etc it is a great car. However when you get the price in picture it falls in the range of Swift Zxi, Ignis Zeta/Alpha, Baleno, etc. There these are cars offer much more overall with a very little compromise in
outright performance.