[agambhandari]

Something that may be of no practical implication to most, but still a turn off for some enthusiasts; Top speed is limited to 160 Kmph

0-100 km/h sprint in the hatchback takes just 9.95 seconds, while the sedan can accomplish the same in 10.38 seconds. The top speed is capped at 160 km/h. The JTP variants have a 4 mm lower ground clearance and a retuned steering system for a sportier driving experience.

Source: https://indianautosblog.com/2018/10/...p-price-315040

[Steeroid]

Originally Posted by agambhandari

Something that may be of no practical implication to most, but still a turn off for some enthusiasts; Top speed is limited to 160 Kmph

Real enthusiasts know their way around these things, not to worry.

The wannabes will just revv the hell out of the engine while cruising from one coffee shop to another, like those Bullet fellows. They are only interested in 0-40 kmph.

[ChiragM]

Just wondering.

The braking distance according to Tata is less than 30 metres. Is this from 60 km/h or 100 km/h?

100 km/h seems unrealistic because the Porsche 911 GT3 does a 100 to 0 in 30.7 metres (source). This would make Tiago one of the best braking cars in the world.

So does anyone know at what speeds these braking tests are conducted at for this segment?

[Dr.Naren]

Originally Posted by ChiragM

The braking distance according to Tata is less than 30 metres. Is this from 60 km/h or 100 km/h?

It's not 100-0 kmph for sure. It should be from 80 kmph. For reference, Baleno RS does 80-0 kmph in 28.37 metres.

[agambhandari]

Originally Posted by Dr.Naren

It's not 100-0 kmph for sure. It should be from 60 or 80 kmph. For reference, Baleno RS does 80-0 kmph in 28.37 metres.

Model S2 as per the specs shown in the previous slide is the Baleno RS. I guess best to wait and get an unbiased testing of the JTP.

[Dr.Naren]

Originally Posted by agambhandari

Model S2 as per the specs shown in the previous slide is the Baleno RS. I guess best to wait and get an unbiased testing of the JTP.

I have taken the numbers for Baleno RS from Autocar India magazine. Let's see what they get for Tiago JTP .

[giri1.8]

Originally Posted by agambhandari

The Tigor JTP on the other hand has an inferior infotainment as compared to the XZ+ since it recently got a bigger screen with Android auto and Carplay. Also consider that it has the same wheel and tyre sizes as the JTP.

Tigor normal version has 175 section tyres, longer wheelbase(compared to Tiago) will have positive effect on long high-speed corners and weight distribution MIGHT be better on the Tigor. Tiago on the other hand might be very agile and perform better thanks to lighter weight.

Waiting for Teambhp review to get a better picture.

[Latheesh]

Proper high quality walkaround video by Cardekho

https://youtu.be/HvI68TlM27s

[JishD]

In our excitement , let's not forget that the City SMT is just 1.5 lakhs off the Tigor while offering similar performance and MUCH more legroom. In EMI terms over 3 years , the difference is not difficult to bridge. And this is without considering discounts.

[swiftnfurious]

Originally Posted by JishD

In our excitement , let's not forget that the City SMT is just 1.5 lakhs off the Tigor while offering similar performance and MUCH more legroom. In EMI terms over 3 years , the difference is not difficult to bridge. And this is without considering discounts.

We could draw a lot of such comparisons based on the budget, but the focus should be on the need primarily and then budget. If I need a hot car, City doesn't make into my list for any reason. City can't be pushed like this due to the soft suspension nature. Of course, the additional 1.5L - that's not negligible even for a 3 year EMI - it's an additional Rs. 50,000 per year or roughly Rs. 4500/- to the monthly EMI which, to me at least, is a whole lot of money. There are other overhead costs too, which we'll realize over time, higher service costs & insurance renewals including.

And for a person who likes and have the budget for a City, Tigor shouldn't even be in the shortlist. It should be Verna / Ciaz / Vento etc that they be considering.

[JishD]

Originally Posted by swiftnfurious

We could draw a lot of such comparisons based on the budget, but the focus should be on the need primarily and then budget. If I need a hot car, City doesn't make into my list for any reason. City can't be pushed like this due to the soft suspension nature. Of course, the additional 1.5L - that's not negligible even for a 3 year EMI - it's an additional Rs. 50,000 per year or roughly Rs. 4500/- to the monthly EMI which, to me at least, is a whole lot of money. There are other overhead costs too, which we'll realize over time, higher service costs & insurance renewals including.

And for a person who likes and have the budget for a City, Tigor shouldn't even be in the shortlist. It should be Verna / Ciaz / Vento etc that they be considering.

You'll be amazed how you can play around with financial structures...you can work with your bank to have similar EMI structure to Tigor and have a balloon payment at the end of three years. Sell the car then and the differential in depreciation will have cancelled itself. Upto 25% of the principal can be paid at the end of the loan tenure.

[k_ajay]

Originally Posted by arbaz906

Tata has done some splendid work here. They've given it a well tuned growl for a 3 cylinder motor. (Headphones recommended)

https://www.Youtube.com/watch?v=FtqYjN8j1z0
No way can anyone tell this is a Tata car if they listen to this with their eyes closed.

WoW! Now that's great work done and shows JTP is a house that knows to deliver the 'performance' stuff..

Compare that to 'stickered' sports cars. . I'm liking the new Tata Motors. Way to go!

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by JishD

In our excitement , let's not forget that the City SMT is just 1.5 lakhs off the Tigor while offering similar performance and MUCH more legroom. In EMI terms over 3 years , the difference is not difficult to bridge. And this is without considering discounts.

Comparisons like this killed the Punto Abarth (Or whatever was left out if from the company owns suicide!). JTP is on the same route, eventually! No offence, just a market reality. Indians cry for hot hatches, and when hot products are launched, we compare them with family sedans.

While we wait for confirmation from our official reviews, the first impressions coming from media sources point to the JTP being a well rounded fun car - and not just a family offering with a slightly bigger power output.

[DicKy]

Originally Posted by agambhandari

Something that may be of no practical implication to most, but still a turn off for some enthusiasts; Top speed is limited to 160 Kmph



Source: https://indianautosblog.com/2018/10/...p-price-315040

Originally Posted by Steeroid

Real enthusiasts know their way around these things, not to worry.

The wannabes will just revv the hell out of the engine while cruising from one coffee shop to another, like those Bullet fellows. They are only interested in 0-40 kmph.

Sure there are ways around, but what must be the limiting factor?

The platform or the engine?

The normal Tiago (P & D) are limited at 150km/h, while the Tigor petrol goes till 160km/h (?)

The Nexon petrol goes till 153km/h, whereas the diesel tops at 183km/h.

So, maybe both the platform and engine are limited by nature to 160km/h.

(Psstt.. above mentioned figures are from official sources. I have neither performed nor encourage such speeds on public roads )

[DieselAddikt]

Originally Posted by JishD

You'll be amazed how you can play around with financial structures...you can work with your bank to have similar EMI structure to Tigor and have a balloon payment at the end of three years. Sell the car then and the differential in depreciation will have cancelled itself. Upto 25% of the principal can be paid at the end of the loan tenure.

True. But I think it applies more to people who are jumping from something like a City to an Octavia or a similarly priced car. We have a budget conscious population when it comes to cars below 10L. Balloon payment or not, the 1.5L INR difference and the accompanying insurance and service cost has to be payed by the buyer at some point of time.

And most of all, we are talking about very different cars. Someone who is looking at the City should not even look at the JTP version. He should look at the ordinary Tiago/Tigor or VW Polo and the price difference widens. Here in the USA, you get an Accord Sport and a VW GTI at the same price. A person who is looking at the Accord will also consider Mazda 6, Camry, Altima etc and a person looking at the GTI will not look elsewhere (a WRX perhaps). Reason? They are very different cars at the same price point even if the straight line performance on paper is the same.

Originally Posted by k_ajay

WoW! Now that's great work done and shows JTP is a house that knows to deliver the 'performance' stuff..

Compare that to 'stickered' sports cars. . I'm liking the new Tata Motors. Way to go!

Remember one of those RS "Sticker" editions?

Where is the preview? The embargo has been lifted at 01:00 AM, right?