Are Fog lights banned?

arif_t01 · 17th October 2006, 07:00

Yellow fogs are banned....i definitely remember reading an old magazine (probably Autocar) saying that Mahindra Classic (i think i've got it correct) came with 4 yellow fog lamps, which gave it a tough look and unfortunately due to the ban it was scrapped.

theMAG · 17th October 2006, 08:52

The Qualis used to come with yellow fog lamps as OE, in one of its iterations. Wonder how?

eflanker · 17th October 2006, 08:52

Actually, FOG lights are not that bad, as they are located on the lower bottom.

Worse if High Beam that is being abused by people all the time.
Ofcourse, all we can do is bitch about it on the web, nothing much is going to change in reality

RedOne · 17th October 2006, 09:40

All non-OE aux lights are banned in Kerala. At least it was, 2-3 years back as my Chennai registered car was pulled over and fined in Trivandrum. I remember at time, all these Hella's and other aux lights used to be available really cheap at the accessory shops.

Gears,
Red-One.

WhiteKnight · 17th October 2006, 09:49

Well, I am not sure whether yellow fogs are banned or not. But I would like to corect a few misconceptions

Quote:

Originally Posted by rranjith_kum

the reason for ban being they can cause glare than ordinary ones and very being used in city conditions also....

Yellow light DO NOT cause glare.

From Wikipedia
"The intent of selective yellow is to improve vision by removing shorter, blue wavelengths from the projected light, as these wavelengths are difficult for the human visual system to process properly, as well as causing perceived dazzle effects in rain, fog and snow and problems with glare"

In UK, use of selective yellow is allowed only on low visibility conditions. So the indian rule might be similar.

Also, white fog lamps cannot be as effective as yellow ones, because white lamp produces the complete spectrum of light leading to glare on wet or snow surfaces.

Also all halogens produce yellowish beam only. They are popular because of the properties mentioned above.

elf · 17th October 2006, 10:19

@GTO: Both sajands & Pankaj401 are correct. The first generation Hyundai Santro in India (during 1999-2000), came with factory fitted yellow fog / driving lamps factory installed.

Technocrat · 17th October 2006, 11:44

Even I had heard that yellow fog lamps that too over teh top were allowed in hilly areas only. It is very much possible becasue even the 100\90 bulbs we put in our cars are illegal

caroholic1 · 17th October 2006, 13:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by sajands

Hey i have a Santro that came fitted with yellow fog lamps from factory back in 1999-2000 and i do use the fog lamps in the city during nite times and even in front of the cops and i've never been caught since the last 6 yrs of purchasing the car in bangalore.. i'am really suprised with this fog lamp issue

Me too. I also have those yellow foglamps installed in my santro by the dealer & till now i've never been caught by the cops.

talkingpebbles · 17th October 2006, 16:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by sajands

Hey i have a Santro that came fitted with yellow fog lamps from factory back in 1999-2000 and i do use the fog lamps in the city during nite times and even in front of the cops and i've never been caught since the last 6 yrs of purchasing the car in bangalore.. i'am really suprised with this fog lamp issue

I dont think most of the cops are aware of the issue either. probably the reason why you were never caught!

-B

anupamsinha · 17th October 2006, 16:07

Though the yellow ones should be useful in case of fog but I do also remember reading that fog lights are banned. But that was many years back. Secondly it said fog lights were banned and didn't say anything about the colour. So probably all must have been banned at some time. Don't know if the ban has been lifted now.

tsk1979 · 17th October 2006, 16:48

Here are the exact rules pertaining to head lamps, tail lamps, fog lamps, height of fog lamps etc., etc.,
first of all, main headlamps should be white. i.e. slightly yelllow is okay, but you cannot have completely yellow fog lamps as main lamps.
http://morth.nic.in/mvlrule/rule5_105.pdf

It says that the dimensions/wattage/positioning is as repect to indian standards IS 8415 and 8416.
To read those standards you have to purchase the book or CDROM.
Does anybody have that?

Nikhilb2008 · 17th October 2006, 17:01

nice info guys....but WHY exactly is it banned in India ?? what is the logic ??

tsk1979 · 17th October 2006, 17:03

Not banned, just regulated.
There is a maximum height limit, limit on wattage etc.,
Also see IS 1606 regarding wattage.

pyrocrypt · 17th October 2006, 17:17

last year my M800 was fined Rs.500 by a mobile court for using fog lights... it was real funny... initially they coudnt find anything else to fine, then they fined me for keeping fog lamps.. indians laws are just puppets staring blindly at the vendetta of our police.

turbofreak · 17th October 2006, 17:35

yellow fog lamps are banned because of their high intensity...the normal ones..the white ones are not banned.

17th October 2006, 07:00	#16
arif_t01 BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Trivandrum, Ker Posts: 356 Thanked: 343 Times	Yellow fogs are banned....i definitely remember reading an old magazine (probably Autocar) saying that Mahindra Classic (i think i've got it correct) came with 4 yellow fog lamps, which gave it a tough look and unfortunately due to the ban it was scrapped.
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17th October 2006, 08:52	#17
theMAG Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Avon, CT Posts: 7,217 Thanked: 1,807 Times View My Garage	The Qualis used to come with yellow fog lamps as OE, in one of its iterations. Wonder how?
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17th October 2006, 08:52	#18
eflanker BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: BLR Posts: 88 Thanked: 2 Times	Actually, FOG lights are not that bad, as they are located on the lower bottom. Worse if High Beam that is being abused by people all the time. Ofcourse, all we can do is bitch about it on the web, nothing much is going to change in reality
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17th October 2006, 09:40	#19
RedOne BHPian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 338 Thanked: 91 Times View My Garage	All non-OE aux lights are banned in Kerala. At least it was, 2-3 years back as my Chennai registered car was pulled over and fined in Trivandrum. I remember at time, all these Hella's and other aux lights used to be available really cheap at the accessory shops. Gears, Red-One.
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17th October 2006, 10:19	#21
elf BANNED Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bombay Posts: 1,039 Thanked: 13 Times View My Garage	@GTO: Both sajands & Pankaj401 are correct. The first generation Hyundai Santro in India (during 1999-2000), came with factory fitted yellow fog / driving lamps factory installed.
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17th October 2006, 11:44	#22
Technocrat Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: GTA Posts: 14,813 Thanked: 2,700 Times	Even I had heard that yellow fog lamps that too over teh top were allowed in hilly areas only. It is very much possible becasue even the 100\90 bulbs we put in our cars are illegal
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17th October 2006, 16:07	#25
anupamsinha BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Delhi Posts: 118 Thanked: 57 Times	Though the yellow ones should be useful in case of fog but I do also remember reading that fog lights are banned. But that was many years back. Secondly it said fog lights were banned and didn't say anything about the colour. So probably all must have been banned at some time. Don't know if the ban has been lifted now.
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17th October 2006, 16:48	#26
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,825 Times View My Garage	rules for lamps, fog lamps etc., Here are the exact rules pertaining to head lamps, tail lamps, fog lamps, height of fog lamps etc., etc., first of all, main headlamps should be white. i.e. slightly yelllow is okay, but you cannot have completely yellow fog lamps as main lamps. http://morth.nic.in/mvlrule/rule5_105.pdf It says that the dimensions/wattage/positioning is as repect to indian standards IS 8415 and 8416. To read those standards you have to purchase the book or CDROM. Does anybody have that?
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17th October 2006, 17:01	#27
Nikhilb2008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 5,196 Thanked: 10,138 Times	nice info guys....but WHY exactly is it banned in India ?? what is the logic ??
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17th October 2006, 17:03	#28
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,825 Times View My Garage	Not banned, just regulated. There is a maximum height limit, limit on wattage etc., Also see IS 1606 regarding wattage.
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17th October 2006, 17:17	#29
pyrocrypt Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 7 Thanked: Once	last year my M800 was fined Rs.500 by a mobile court for using fog lights... it was real funny... initially they coudnt find anything else to fine, then they fined me for keeping fog lamps.. indians laws are just puppets staring blindly at the vendetta of our police.
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17th October 2006, 17:35	#30
turbofreak BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: mumbai Posts: 112 Thanked: 0 Times	yellow fog lamps are banned because of their high intensity...the normal ones..the white ones are not banned.
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