[Carma2017]

The basis for NEXA currently is whether a model is a global model. Baleno, Ignis, S-Cross are all models sold in EU as well. The introduction of Ciaz is a mystery although it does sell in Russia. Celerio does not qualify because it was launched before NEXA concept was envisaged and is any way el cheapo.

[drsingh]

Ciaz will move up the premium chain to make way for the next generation Dzire.

[autorahul]

I for one don't think Ciaz will be removed from regular Maruti dealerships. On the other hand, there might be some variants which will be made Nexa exclusives, like the 1.6 l diesel engine. Some other features to differentiate may be cruise control, sunroof, drls, 6 airbags, lumbar support etc. Basically there would be some features that an urban customer is more interested in than the semi urban/rural and those features will trickle down the Nexa variant.

Its hard to fathom Ciaz being completely removed from one dealership and added to another. Would lead to a lot of confusion to a car that is selling well.

[Prodigy07]

Maruti definitely needs to bring better Petrol and Diesel engines in Ciaz to compete with 2017 Honda City / Verna Face-lift.

Else, I believe the customer base will slowly start drifting away from Ciaz.

[PrasannaDhana]

We enthusiasts can never be satisfied. Manufacturers like Fiat, Ford and Volkswagen sell wonderful cars that are fun and involving to drive.

But the market does not care about handling, shaving seconds off the trackday lap times, or dragstrip-worthy acceleration.

Sleep inducing, underpowered Ciaz sells 1:100(punto abarth), 1:5(Vento/Rapid/GT twins). Maruti is not going to make enthusiast-oriented cars no matter how much we whine about it. All they care is sales, and with 52% of entire sales, they wouldnt care less.

Shifting ciaz to Nexa completely will be a blunder. Having ciaz in both showrooms(different engines) is also against Nexa concept. May be, have two ciaz diesel variants at Maruti showrooms, else lose sales.

[aargee]

Originally Posted by PrasannaDhana

Manufacturers like Fiat, Ford and Volkswagen sell wonderful cars that are fun and involving to drive

About VW - A car can go over a hump, but VW & Skoda are the only cars that have a hump inside their cars!! Extremely difficult to move in the rear from one side to another due to this!!

Fiat - When we went to TD a car in Anna Nagar, the entire showroom went missing!! Instead we saw, VW coming up

Ford - Yes, they're improving no doubt; the other day I happened to hear a Figo's engine noise & it was worse than Tata Indica!! But that's old Figo, not sure how a new Figo will hold.

Originally Posted by PrasannaDhana

But the market does not care about handling, shaving seconds off the trackday lap times, or dragstrip-worthy acceleration

Abarth Punto is performance oriented car, but, what's the kind of support we get? What do most people here say? OVERPRICED!! And VW GTI? Less said better!! Pity the "lucky" 100

Originally Posted by PrasannaDhana

Maruti is not going to make enthusiast-oriented cars no matter how much we whine about it. All they care is sales, and with 52% of entire sales, they wouldnt care less

No, they won't; goal of any company is to make money; they'll not change the strategy unless there's a shift in customer's taste. Unless the fuel prices touch something like Rs 50 per liter or so, we're not going to see performance oriented cars. And even if the FE is improved by leaps & bounds with performance, they're not going to be affordable either.

[arvind71181]

Originally Posted by Carma2017

The basis for NEXA currently is whether a model is a global model. Baleno, Ignis, S-Cross are all models sold in EU as well. The introduction of Ciaz is a mystery although it does sell in Russia. Celerio does not qualify because it was launched before NEXA concept was envisaged and is any way el cheapo.

But by this logic then the swift should be a NEXA model right? NEXA = supposedly premium experience is what they wanted it to be. They have not entirely succeeded in doing that though.

[carwatcher]

I am surprised and confused after reading your post.

You start by saying 'its simple' while its actually anything but simple.

You are also saying that Brezza is kept with non-Nexa dealers to keep them happy means they can predict well that it will be a runaway success. It says a lot about Maruti.

I haven't heard or read anywhere that Baleno which is supposed to take on i20 is of low quality, so surprised at your evaluation. Its lighter in weight than competition but is certainly not of low quality.

Originally Posted by dipen

Its simple. If they think a product can command better premium or sell higher in Nexa; they will place it in Nexa and vice-versa...
... Brezza can fit everywhere tier-1, 2, rural; so MS standard dealership will do fine + non-Nexa dealers also need to be kept happy by getting a runaway success model.

And if the low quality Baleno can make it in Nexa; Ciaz surely does sit fine.

[Carma2017]

Originally Posted by arvind71181

But by this logic then the swift should be a NEXA model right? NEXA = supposedly premium experience is what they wanted it to be. They have not entirely succeeded in doing that though.

The next generation Swift is likely to be NEXA as per rumours I heard from people in Suzuki.
The success of NEXA lies in the word premium being associated with Maruti. The cars you see today in NEXA are definitely not going to be the lineup for the future. But once the concept of premium is firmly introduced into consumer minds, Suzuki can then dream of making and overpricing vehicles like Crysta or Creta.
I know people think Ignis is already overpriced. Believe me it is not. It's a Suzuki global make car without corners being cut. That's a normal price for such a car.

[volkman10]

Originally Posted by Carma2017

The introduction of Ciaz is a mystery although it does sell in Russia.

CIAZ/ ALIVIO is also sold in China , Indonesia, etc and does qualify as being 'Global'.


Source- leftlane

[BoneCollector]

Originally Posted by drsingh

Ciaz will move up the premium chain to make way for the next generation Dzire.

Originally Posted by autorahul

I for one don't think Ciaz will be removed from regular Maruti dealerships. On the other hand, there might be some variants which will be made Nexa exclusives, like the 1.6 l diesel engine. Some other features to differentiate may be cruise control, sunroof, drls, 6 airbags, lumbar support etc. Basically there would be some features that an urban customer is more interested in than the semi urban/rural and those features will trickle down the Nexa variant.

Its hard to fathom Ciaz being completely removed from one dealership and added to another. Would lead to a lot of confusion to a car that is selling well.

There are very good chances of this. As per my source, the new D'zire is over 4 meters and it's production has started with a launch in April/May. So if it's more than 4 meters, then having 2 full size sedans under one roof might not be a good idea. Cross posting from other thread for reference.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...ml#post4141292

Originally Posted by PrasannaDhana

Shifting ciaz to Nexa completely will be a blunder. Having ciaz in both showrooms(different engines) is also against Nexa concept. May be, have two ciaz diesel variants at Maruti showrooms, else lose sales.

I guess even if they follow this by keeping Ciaz at both showrooms, it could be a stop gap arrangement and Ciaz might be shifted totally to Nexa once new engines are ready.

[Carma2017]

@Volkman10: Yes, Suzuki does sell Ciaz / Alivio in Asia but in Suzuki parlance, if a car isn't selling in Europe and Japan, then it isn't Global. Earlier, it used to include USA as well but now, it's just Europe.

[RavenAvi]

The 2017 Ciaz facelift has started to arrive at dealership stockyards, as per these fresh scoop pics by a GaadiWaadi spy.

Just ahead of the facelift’s launch, Maruti Suzuki seems to have dropped the variant as well as Maruti Suzuki badge from the premium Ciaz sedan as you can see from the pictures posted.
It does have the SHVS (Smart Hybrid Vehicle by Suzuki) badge though, understandably, as the Indo-Japanese pair has managed to cross over one lakh units of sales cumulatively with Ciaz and Ertiga since September 2015 equipped with the same technology.

[bhaskaracs]

Originally Posted by RavenAvi

The 2017 Ciaz facelift has started to arrive at dealership stockyards, as per these fresh scoop pics by a GaadiWaadi spy.

What are the chances of Ciaz facelift launching with Boosterjet (tuned to a higher state than Baleno RS) equipped with a six speed auto? This will set the market on fire and will make it extremely difficult for Honda iVTEC CVT or Vento TSI. As they say, the rest have to 'go fish'.

[himanshu_j]

Originally Posted by bhaskaracs

What are the chances of Ciaz facelift launching with Boosterjet (tuned to a higher state than Baleno RS) equipped with a six speed auto? This will set the market on fire and will make it extremely difficult for Honda iVTEC CVT or Vento TSI. As they say, the rest have to 'go fish'.

I guess April isn't too far to wait and watch. Though bets are on the 1.5L NA which puts out 99PS and 133Nm of torque coupled to a manual and a ?CVT automatic transmission. The same motor might be an option on the S-Cross facelift scheduled to come later this year.