[jetsetgo08]

Originally Posted by PraNeel

Brezza is declared as the winner of the shootout.

IMHO, the shootout is incomplete without the consideration of Ecosport. Don't know what made them skip the Ecosport in this comparo.

[amit1214]

IMHO, essentially these are all crossovers and this shootout is incomplete without THE Crossover S cross. Zeta 1.3 offers everything that wrv offers and little more premiumness at little lesser price

[fuelinmyveins]

W-RV 1.5 VX can't be compared with S-Cross 1.3 Zeta. The W-RV has way more features and the apt comparison would be with be S-Cross 1.3 Alpha. But yes the S-cross is definitely much better than Vitara brezza.

[amit1214]

Originally Posted by fuelinmyveins

W-RV 1.5 VX can't be compared with S-Cross 1.3 Zeta. The W-RV has way more features and the apt comparison would be with be S-Cross 1.3 Alpha. But yes the S-cross is definitely much better than Vitara brezza.

Looking at Brochure of both cards; If you compare Features between WRV 1.5 VX and Scross Delta 1.3

WRV has Sun Roof, 8mm higher GC, Touch AC

S Cross has larger length and width, all disc Breaks, Fatter Tyre, Apple Car Play, smaller turning radius, Seat Belt Force Limiter & Pretensioner and shoulder height adj for Front seats, ISOFIX, Dual Side Operable Parcel Tray, Better Rear Seats and space, Reclining Rear Seat, 60:40 Rear Seat Split, Back Pocket on Front Seats, adjustable Rear Seat Headrests, Luggage room Accessory Socket, Sun glass Holder, Sliding Armrest

Infotainment Systems are almost same - touch, voice commands etc. S Cross has Apple car play WRV doesnt , WRV offers Internet access through Phones's Hotspot/Wifi Scross Doesnt

[abhiram.soma]

Originally Posted by abhiram.soma

Had booked my WRV on 30th of April. During the time of booking, the sales rep said that he would deliver the vehicle within a month. I had booked golden brown colour. About a week back, i get call from him asking me if I'm ok with silver or grey, as there are heavy booking for golden brown and it would get delayed beyond a month, where as he can deliver silver or grey in the last week of April.

Told the dealer that I'll stick with Golden Brown only. Got a call back from him today saying that Honda got more than expected number of bookings and they wait would have to be beyond the month of April. Now I'm thinking weather to shift to S Cross or just leave this booking like this only and wait for the new Ecosport to be released

[handsofsteel]

Originally Posted by fuelinmyveins

So look at W-RV as a Honda City ZX minus LED head lamps but in a snazzier and rugged avatar along with a saving of 4.5 lakh rupees ! Then you will realise that W-RV indeed makes a lot of sense.

The vx is a better comparison, that too for the diesel, the petrol zx is an automatic version and hence can't be compared with the wrv. How I wish a zx cvt variant of the wrv is introduced with 6 airbags. Fast!!

[Revy]

Originally Posted by CarguyNish

If the poor NVH of this WR-V Diesel has put you off, then people shouldn't buy i20 Due to its Average Dynamics or Polo due to its cramped Cabin. Baleno for it's Light Weight. I think you understood what I meant to say.

Leaving aside Poor NVH & High Price, the other things like Different Face, Big Boot, Spacious Cabin, Good Ride, Decent Handling, Easy Entry/Exit & Excellent Efficiency should make WR-V a good package to Consider.

No car is perfect, but one shouldn't Reject Test Driving it just for that one big negative .

Agreed very much, no car is perfect ! However, there will be certain things that each buyer consider as important. In my case, NVH happens to be one, that's all. I have been driving Figo Diesel for last 7 years and it is pretty noisy. But I love many other aspects of that car, especially the steering and handling, the confidence it gives on highways. My expected low running push me to look for Petrol and not many great options around other than the proven I-VTEC of Honda. Vento TSI is the car that my heart want to buy, but the brain doesn't agree.

I had a good look of W-RV. Standing beside a City, it has more butch looks and the higher GC is a big advantage. But somehow I don't really get a "major upgrade" feel from my Figo. I am going to use my new car for 7 years minimum, so I opted for the safe choice of City Petrol and made a booking. I may consider opting for CVT. May be I will take a test drive of Diesel W-RV also, waiting eagerly for the T-BHP official review.

[fuelinmyveins]

Originally Posted by amit1214

Looking at Broucher of both cards; If you compare Features between WRV 1.5 VX and Scross Delta 1.3

WRV has Sun Roof, 8mm higher GC, Touch AC

S Cross has larger length and width, all disc Breaks, Fatter Tyre, Apple Car Play, smaller turning radius, Seat Belt Force Limiter & Pretensioner and shoulder height adj for Front seats, ISOFIX, Dual Side Operable Parcel Tray, Better Rear Seats and space, Reclining Rear Seat, 60:40 Rear Seat Split, Back Pocket on Front Seats, adjustable Rear Seat Headrests, Luggage room Accessory Socket, Sun glass Holder, Sliding Armrest

Infotainment Systems are almost same - touch, voice commands etc. S Cross has Apple car play WRV doesnt , WRV offers Internet access through Phones's Hotspot/Wifi Scross Doesnt

oh come on! by that logic if compared with S-cross Zeta 1.3, W-RV has impact mitigating headrest, Better alloys, Daytime running light, Honda connect, extended warranty of 5 years/unlimited kilometres, two accessory sockets, HDMI port, 6 speed gearbox, break over ride system, more ergonomically designed armrest, rear foot rest, internal media storage memory, driver side window pinch guard, electric sunroof and so on.

And please even W-RV has seat back pockets on both sides and seat belt pretensioners with force limiters are standard on most modern cars with Airbags since 2012 so much so that they don't need to be mentioned separately unless a car company is desperate to add items in their brochures, even my TATA Zest has it.

In my post I was not comparing minuscule features. Barring rear disc breaks, projector headlamps and isofix port, the fact is that W-RV VX has most of the features present in S-Cross Alpha and then some more. If looked at major features (costly/in demand) its more loaded than S-cross 1.3 Zeta and is aeons ahead of 1.3 Delta.

[abhi1881]

Eagerly waiting for Team-BHP review for WRV. Have to finalise soon, in fact in next couple of days .
Any idea when we can expect the review to be out? @GTO: Please suggest
This car is ticking all our requirements and I just want to make sure if there is anything that can go wrong. I only miss the the armrest +air vents in the back seat, but that is acceptable considering all other aspects, like looks(internal as well as external), 1.5 Diesel motor, features particularly sunroof etc. I feel this is an excellent upgrade from Jazz which we were very close in booking and then ruled out. This would be mostly driven by my wife and she want to go for honda this time.We had Maruti800, Swift earlier and now have WagonR and Innova.
Both Swift and Innova were bought after going through team bhp reviews and particularly GTO's recommendations and views.

[amit1214]

Originally Posted by fuelinmyveins

oh come on! by that logic if compared with S-cross Zeta 1.3, W-RV has impact mitigating headrest, Better alloys, Daytime running light, Honda connect, extended warranty of 5 years/unlimited kilometres, two accessory sockets, HDMI port, 6 speed gearbox, break over ride system, more ergonomically designed armrest, rear foot rest, internal media storage memory, driver side window pinch guard, electric sunroof and so on

And please even W-RV has seat back pockets on both sides and seat belt pretensioners with force limiters are standard on most modern cars with Airbags since 2012 so much so that they don't need to be mentioned separately unless a car company is desperate to add items in their brochures, even my TATA Zest has it.

In my post I was not comparing minuscule features. Barring rear disc breaks, projector headlamps and isofix port, the fact is that W-RV VX has most of the features present in S-Cross Alpha and then some more. If looked at major features (costly/in demand) its more loaded than S-cross 1.3 Zeta and is aeons ahead of 1.3 Delta.

S Cross also has pinch guard and I can point out more features that S Cross has and WRV doesnt. I agree that WRV and S cross share most of the features but saying that WRV is more loaded than S Cross and is aeons ahead is not factually true

Also, what is minuscule and what is a significant feature may be a subjective thing and may vary from person to person.

To me - WRV having a sun-roof and S Cross being a bigger car with better rear seats, space & rear head rest apart from all disc breaks are significant differences

I made my two hefty friends sit in back seat of WRV and S Cross when we TD both of them back to back, there was noticeably more rear space and better seats in s cross. It is lengthier, wider and has a larger footprint too

S cross 1.3 is not selling as much (though it is doing 2 to 2.5K per month) because of the exterior styling (Interior is as premium as it gets in this segment) once the S cross face lift is out most people going for top versions of Brezza or WRV will seriously consider S cross instead (if of course Sun Roof is not the major draw for them)

WRV is a great car but it still is based on Jazz Hatch, looks smaller and is priced on a higher side

[fuelinmyveins]

Originally Posted by amit1214

S Cross also has pinch guard and I can point out more features that S Cross has and WRV doesnt. I agree that WRV and S cross share most of the features but saying that WRV is more loaded than S Cross and is aeons ahead is not factually true

Also, what is minuscule and what is a significant feature may be a subjective thing and may vary from person to person.

To me - WRV having a sun-roof and S Cross being a bigger car with better rear seats, space & rear head rest apart from all disc breaks are significant differences

I made my two hefty friends sit in back seat of WRV and S Cross when we TD both of them back to back, there was noticeably more rear space and better seats in s cross. It is lengthier, wider and has a larger footprint too

S cross 1.3 is not selling as much (though it is doing 2 to 2.5K per month) because of the exterior styling (Interior is as premium as it gets in this segment) once the S cross face lift is out most people going for top versions of Brezza or WRV will seriously consider S cross instead (if of course Sun Roof is not the major draw for them)

WRV is a great car but it still is based on Jazz Hatch, looks smaller and is priced on a higher side

Brother I was only comparing features on W-RV VX vs S-Cross Zeta and Delta and I said aeons ahead only in case of Delta, I hope you understand.

Secondly I agree with the fact the importance of features is subjective (tangential meaning of my post was pointing in that direction only)

Lastly I do agree that S-Cross is a bigger car

[VKumar]

Originally Posted by PraNeel

- Petrol engine is weak for Jazz.
- Diesel is too noisy.
- Driver's view is not commanding. Difficult to judge vehicle dimensions.
- Android HU integration is not as well as others.
- Skittish and jarring on rough patches of road.

Let me disagree on all 4 points mentioned above, third one is slightly applicable but still disagreeable. I drove a WR-V at high speed on the slip roads of Yamuna expressway and literally crossed the 6 inches or even higher pits at 100 kph speed.

Diesel is too noisy: Please refer the videos attached below, they both will give you a fair idea of exterior NVh with suspension movements and interior NVH. Once the GrPro was mounted behind front wheel, yes very close to the engine. In second case, the GoPro was mounted on the steering wheel - to give you a fair idea of interior NVH. Ride quality is far from jarring or skittish, in fact the ride and handling compromise is indeed the best in class IMO. I could do to WR-V what I couldn't to Vitara Brezza. Probably overdrive guys have developed some sort of love for Vitara.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcS5mUSUUvM

Originally Posted by fuelinmyveins

First of all the Vitara Brezza is not available in petrol so there is no point in cribbing about weak petrol in the W-RV, wich in fact is at par with the i20 Active petrol.

I completely agree, and why they haven't brought in Ecposport? Probably that would have made declaring the Brezza a winner, a tougher and unjustifiable task.

1. Vitara Brezza in this competition seems very ordinary for its price. Its not bad at any thing but does not excel at anything either. Due to this reason I cancelled my booking last year.

I rolled down passenger side window to half, slammed the driver side door and it rattled like all the force even from a door slam at opposite side, is transferred to it. Disappointed!

2. If it comes down to refinement of diesel engine then nothing can hold a candle to i20 diesel.

Hyundai is NVH specialist now, no two ways about it.

The noise insulation in W-RV is much superior to the one in the B-RV and Jazz. I'm not at all saying that its in the league of Hyundai but its definitely not much worse than 1.3 ddis in its various iterations (except for Ciaz).

I have attached the videos above, no editing and no fancy cameras for manipulation. Only two guys and and one GoPro - absolutely raw footage.

[fuelinmyveins]

Originally Posted by VKumar

Let me disagree on all 4 points mentioned above, third one is slightly applicable but still disagreeable. I drove a WR-V at high speed on the slip roads of Yamuna expressway and literally crossed the 6 inches or even higher pits at 100 kph speed.

Diesel is too noisy: Please refer the videos attached below, they both will give you a fair idea of exterior NVh with suspension movements and interior NVH. Once the GrPro was mounted behind front wheel, yes very close to the engine. In second case, the GoPro was mounted on the steering wheel - to give you a fair idea of interior NVH. Ride quality is far from jarring or skittish, in fact the ride and handling compromise is indeed the best in class IMO. I could do to WR-V what I couldn't to Vitara Brezza. Probably overdrive guys have developed some sort of love for Vitara.

I completely agree, and why they haven't brought in Ecposport? Probably that would have made declaring the Brezza a winner, a tougher and unjustifiable task.

I have attached the videos above, no editing and no fancy cameras for manipulation. Only two guys and and one GoPro - absolutely raw footage.

That's what i was trying to say . The W-RV has further built on the strengths of the jazz and then some more.

The video posted by you clearly shows the good body control and the degree of composure the W-RV has.

The overdrive review, as always, seems to be biased and in favour of one particular brand.

Where as all other reviews have praised the ride and handling combination of W-RV, Overdrive is the only magazine that has criticized it.

[Behemoth]

Originally Posted by fuelinmyveins

That's what i was trying to say . The W-RV has further built on the strengths of the jazz and then some more.

The video posted by you clearly shows the good body control and the degree of composure the W-RV has.

The overdrive review, as always, seems to be biased and in favour of one particular brand.

Where as all other reviews have praised the ride and handling combination of W-RV, Overdrive is the only magazine that has criticized it.

When I test drove the WR-V, I found the ride quality quite supple and pliant and there was no reason for complaint!

Though on the engine noise side, I did find it quite loud compared to my Laura, which itself is much louder than a Creta.
In the same segment, the Creta 1.4 CRDI engine is much quieter than the Honda 1.5 Earthdreams. if you recall my comment from the test drive as shared earlier, above 3K rpm, the engine sounds like a "mad dog coming to bite you!" - The Honda engine is the only one which gave me this feeling - both in WR-V and the BR-V so far and I did not even find same noise levels even with cars like the TUV300 Mhawk 100. I have been driving diesels for more than 13 years now (initially a Fiesta TDCI , then Yeti and then Laura) and even the Fiesta 13 years ago did not have this noise level - the same engine is still used by Ford in the Ecosport still and it is less noisy than the Honda Engine.

Anyway, Noise sensitivity is subjective and one may find it noisy while others may not!
I think the best would be to wait for the TBHP official review and then we can discuss further! I do hope that it does come out soon!

[abhi1881]

Booked Diesel VX MT, White Orchid Pearl color. Interestingly, unlike Petrol the price for Diesel pearl was same as other base colors since Honda wanted to keep it below 10L and therefore not attract additional tax. Further, we have been told of waiting period/delivery after 1 month.
Both me and my wife had a test drive, and following are the likings and dis-likings/compromises

Likes

1. Looks, as already mentioned. Wonderful enhancements if we compare with our earlier choice i.e. Jazz
2. Honda badge, we wanted to go for Honda car for quite long time, but never found a car ticking to our key requirements.
3. Drivability, as other also mentioned very will planted feeling. Though the suspension's response felt only acceptable, better than wagonR, however no where close to Innova because of obvious reasons.
4. I just loved to steering response. Both Innova as well as WagonR's didn't felt that exciting or may be i am used to same.
5. Roomier cabin, ample of legroom.
6. SunRoof, we just loved it, awesome feeling.
7. Huge boot space.
8. Start/Stop button, Keyless entry in this variant.

Compromises
1. The Music system quality was acceptable and not something great(or crisp to my likings).Touch screen was also not that responsive, sometimes i had to click/press twice. Again i think i may be not justified to compare my mobile phones capacitive touch with car's music systems, but still one actually feels it. I have Pioneer+Rainbow speakers combination in Innova(from MotorConcepts) and the music quality is better than the Honda's stock. I may try to adjust the equaliser setting and get back again on this.
2. Missed rear ac vents, with outside 40degrees+, i was in desperate need of some air and cool breeze. AC was cooling well in front seats though, even when the car was stationary.
3. No arm rest in the back seat. Not sure why honda skipped these 2 features already available in the Honda city :(
4. Stock seat covers are not according to our likings, have to go for new ones from the accessories list. Also front's arm rest cover is not available in Honda accessories.

Honda accessories finalised are

1. Basic kit(floor mats + mud guards)
2. Step illumination (based on my wife's suggestion particularly)
3. Body cover
4. Cargo mat
5. WiFi Dongle
6. Extended Warranty (4th and 5th year)